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#1 Brightcolours

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 08:18 PM

TS-E 50mm f2.8 L Macro. 1:2 max. magnification. 12 elements in 9 groups, 945 grams.

TS-E 90mm f2.8 L Macro. 1:2 max. magnification. 9 elements in 9 groups, 915 grams.

TS-E 135mm f4 L Macro. 1:2 max. magnification. 11 elements in 7 groups, 1110 grams.

EF 85mm f1.4 L IS USM. 0.12x max. magnification. 14 elements in 10 groups, 1 aspherical element, 950 grams.



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Posted 24 August 2017 - 08:45 PM

Always thought, "macro" means 1:1?

The 85/1.4 will make Canon shooters very happy, I guess. Compact, stablized, not too heavy (300 grams lighter than Sigma). A lens for a long time of fun with it, apparently?

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Posted 24 August 2017 - 09:13 PM

Always thought, "macro" means 1:1?

The 85/1.4 will make Canon shooters very happy, I guess. Compact, stablized, not too heavy (300 grams lighter than Sigma). A lens for a long time of fun with it, apparently?

I guess then that is the reason Nikon named its 55mm f3.5 and f2.8 and 105mm f4 lenses micro, as they went to 1:2?  :P

 

Macro lenses almost all used to be 1:2, needing extension tubing to reach 1:1.



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Posted 25 August 2017 - 10:49 AM

Well if price wasn't an issue and I can't justify such an investment, the 85f1.4 IS and TSE90mm would have been sweet acquisitions



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Posted 25 August 2017 - 10:52 AM

Luckily the old TS-E 90mm f2.8 already is a pretty nice lens, with this new one the older ones may start to show up 2nd hand, for affordable prices?



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Posted 25 August 2017 - 12:36 PM

Those TS-E lenses are from a product photographer's wet dream...



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Posted 25 August 2017 - 01:49 PM

Those TS-E lenses are from a product photographer's wet dream...

 

Not only a product photographer.

 

Incredible control over the focus plane, and incredible bokeh come to mind, both behind and in front of the focus plane come to mind. I for one will start budgeting for these lenses, the TSEs that is :). I assume the new TS-Es will be the same as the existing ones in this regard :). These lenses, plus the MP-E, are, from a lens POV, why I went for Canon when moving to digital with my slrs :).

 

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 02:08 PM

None of those are of any interest for me, but it's nice to see the lineup being expanded. Besides, an f/1.4 IS lens is probably a first (at least as far as sensor sizes larger than 4/3 go).



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Posted 26 August 2017 - 11:33 AM

New images indicate that the 50mm offers upto 8 degrees tilt (like the 24mm) and the 135mm upto 10 degrees tilt.



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Posted 27 August 2017 - 12:54 PM

      I ask myself why they only go to 1:2 magnification?



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Posted 27 August 2017 - 01:59 PM

      I ask myself why they only go to 1:2 magnification?

The lenses will become huge otherwise? You need the room for helicoids to move (parts of) the lenses even further way to reach 1:1. And the lenses already reserve a lot of space for the tilt/shift part. The same reason the Nikkor 85mm f2.8 PC-E micro reaches 1:2 max., probably.

 

Also, with 50mm you will get a very small working distance going to 1:1 with a TS-E construction. Something to consider. You will need ex extra 25mm extension would be required.

 

For the 90mm, you are looking at 45mm extra, and for 135mm 67.5mm extra.

 

The tilt is nice for closeups from for instance flowers, to get more of the flower in focus but with lots of background separation. Does one often need 1:1 for such things? Probably not. And if one does want it, an extension tube will do the job just fine.

 

The "outgoing" TS-E 90mm f2.8 reached 1:3.5.


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 02:20 PM

The lenses will become huge otherwise? You need the room for helicoids to move (parts of) the lenses even further way to reach 1:1. And the lenses already reserve a lot of space for the tilt/shift part. The same reason the Nikkor 85mm f2.8 PC-E micro reaches 1:2 max., probably.

 

Also, with 50mm you will get a very small working distance going to 1:1 with a TS-E construction. Something to consider. You will need ex extra 25mm extension would be required.

 

For the 90mm, you are looking at 45mm extra, and for 135mm 67.5mm extra.

 

The tilt is nice for closeups from for instance flowers, to get more of the flower in focus but with lots of background separation. Does one often need 1:1 for such things? Probably not. And if one does want it, an extension tube will do the job just fine.

 

The "outgoing" TS-E 90mm f2.8 reached 1:3.5.

 

 

OK!



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Posted 27 August 2017 - 07:20 PM

OK!

 

Just showing what's possible, I think an image I posted before:

 

Attached File  appleblossom05.jpg   254.23KB   3 downloads

 

24L Mk I, at F/3.5, APS-C, minimum focus distance if I remember correctly.  This image I use often to demonstrate the tilt capabilities of this lens, and the awesome bokeh both beyond and before the (tilted) focus plane.

 

The 24Lii is even better. The 45 and 90 are absolutely great too. The only one I do not use for close-up and macro shots is the 17, although I shoot with it at close distance no problem, be it for other reasons.

 

If the magnification is not high enough, I never hesitate to use extension tubes, although 12mm is max on the 24L, as it si quite possible t have the object or parts o fit touching the front element :), and/or extenders, especially on the 90.

 

In short, looking forward to these new lenses :).

 

Kind regards, Wim



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 10:47 AM

They've all been announced. $1600 for the 85/1.4 - frankly a lot less than many people had predicted; Canon has schooled us well to expect nothing but top price! - and $2200 for each of the T&S.

 

Poor Klaus...........................,,.....



#15 Brightcolours

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 11:21 AM

That is the same price as the years old Nikkor AF-S 85mm f1.4 and $200 less than the Sony FE 85mm f1.4 GM. Not thaaaat bad.



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 04:29 PM

and just a tad more than Sigma 85/1.4 art



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 04:34 PM

For that, it has stabilization and weighs a bit less. Ø 77 mm for the filters is another advantage for the Canon. I wish, Nikon would update their 85/1.4 as well. It's not up to the coming 46 MP D850, by quite a margin.



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 09:44 PM

That is the same price as the years old Nikkor AF-S 85mm f1.4 and $200 less than the Sony FE 85mm f1.4 GM. Not thaaaat bad.

The AF-S Nikkor was quite badass (per the PZ test), a huge improvement over the old AF-D. Wonder how good the new Canon is going to be? Of course the Canon users will stick to their own brand (or Sigma) and won't consider the Nikon anyway...



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 11:48 PM

"WAS quite badass...", wanna do a rough guess which is badass and which it's ART-ass colleague?  ^_^

 

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Posted 30 August 2017 - 08:55 AM

With all due respect... you have different things in focus between these two pictures (and the DOF is very small). I have no horse in this race but just oughta point that out.






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