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#1 toni-a

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Posted 24 October 2017 - 07:26 AM

Was just checking the review (interested getting the lens) I found it was lacking sample images 

 

 

http://www.photozone...4_28stm?start=1



#2 Brightcolours

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Posted 24 October 2017 - 07:38 AM

Many reviews lack sample images, Tony. Alwas has been that way.



#3 toni-a

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Posted 24 October 2017 - 11:02 AM

So lazy... who prefers shooting test charts to a nice walk with a lens, the lens is tiny and lightweight anyway



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Posted 24 October 2017 - 12:13 PM

If skipping the sample images gets us 3 reviews in a given time frame instead of 2, I say skip 'em. :)


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 12:06 AM

Yup, that's exactly the issue. Shooting useful sample images is not a matter of one or two hours. Plus, it often happens that the weather is plain dismal during the time a lens is in the lab.

Bad sample images (or samples in bad weather, so bad light) are worse than none, IMO.
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Posted 25 October 2017 - 12:43 AM

Yup, that's exactly the issue. Shooting useful sample images is not a matter of one or two hours. Plus, it often happens that the weather is plain dismal during the time a lens is in the lab.Bad sample images (or samples in bad weather, so bad light) are worse than none, IMO.


I'd agree with you on bad images, Marcus, but bad weather shouldn't stop one from shooting good images :) .... ;)

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 08:20 AM

In general, I agree, Wim, however when it comes to sample images, spending a day under overcast sky only to return home with a selection of dull and low-contrast images doesn't do a lens' capabilities any justice.
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#8 toni-a

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 09:30 AM

Well members here can contribute to sample images, do a list of lenses for which you need sample images and myself and I am surge many others are ready to provide you with RAW samples.

I can see you don't have,  do you want sample images with Canon 10-18 on 750D or 7D mkii ?



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Posted 25 October 2017 - 01:57 PM

Well then, I can contribute some samples towards the review of this:

http://opticallimits...-report--review

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#10 Brightcolours

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 02:33 PM

And I can fake the sample images of all other lenses with my EXIF editor. 



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Posted 25 October 2017 - 02:42 PM

And I can fake the sample images of all other lenses with my EXIF editor. 

And your point is...... ?



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Posted 25 October 2017 - 03:45 PM

I tried to keep my mouth shut, and again I fail.  :mellow:

 

To me the sample pictures delivered with the test are the genuine jobs of the two testers Klaus and Markus. To me, that makes the samples comparable (within the brands). They have a certain style and certain skills, the cameras are more or less the same since ages. If now members of the PZ / OL forum contribute their pictures, someone would need to do the same job like they do - check for samples which say something realistic and meaningful. The basic idea of toni-A is trying to help, my concern is a wider spread in terms of quality which at the end doesn't give a good enough reference. RAW files are only one part of that story, again, someone needs to export them to JPGs. Also, Klaus and Markust test their samples - I haven't checked a single copy for decenterring, so I'm out anyway.

 

I still think, we have the possibility to contribute our test shots when a lens in question got it's verdict. And, given the quality of today's lenses, the only take away from samples to me is "acceptable bokeh?" For everything else, like AF-speed, flare resistance, reliable AF there's so much different sources of influence - in general I only rely on my own test shots.


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#13 Brightcolours

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 03:52 PM

And your point is...... ?

That supplying "sample images" by readers is a silly idea.



#14 Rover

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 04:18 PM

That supplying "sample images" by readers is a silly idea.

Nevertheless, it's not unprecedented here.  ;) Besides, would you not trust yourself to do this?  :D



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Posted 25 October 2017 - 04:27 PM

You mean "silly ideas"? True, we can come up with each desired quantity of them  :D

 

I can't speak for BC, but I would not trust myself. In my experience it is very likely to miss some aspects when I do testings - some focus test rows I did twice. That's were skills and routine come in.



#16 Brightcolours

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 04:33 PM

Nevertheless, it's not unprecedented here.  ;) Besides, would you not trust yourself to do this?  :D

When Klaus tested a lens from a reader, and the reader supplied images from the actual tested lens, yes.

 

I would not trust a number of fanboys to not increase contrast, or sharpen a bit, or get rid of CA.



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Posted 25 October 2017 - 04:49 PM

Maybe it's fair enough - after 14 years in the profession, I still fret over every article I write, expecting to fail somehow and get the thousands of readers misled.

 

Though I still have a lot of "good" pictures done with that 24-85, although all of them were shot in JPEG.  :huh:



#18 toni-a

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 08:31 PM

I was proposing because it did happen before, for Canon 70-300 full frame review, sample images were kindly provided by Jerry Kooyman. You can check the review and verify yourselves.
http://www.photozone...456isff?start=1

#19 Brightcolours

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 08:42 PM

And the tested lens was Jerry Kooyman's, right?



#20 toni-a

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 08:48 PM

Review by Klaus Schroiff, published November 2010

Lens kindly provided for testing purposes by Christoph Siegwart!






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