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#21 JoJu

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:44 PM

So "a" Tamron or Sigma 150-600mm means only the best 2? Just to be clear.

 

My English is not sufficient to decipher the meaning of that sentence. When I put it in DeepL, it is translated to German and tells me "Also bedeutet "a" Tamron oder Sigma 150-600mm nur die besten 2? Nur um das klarzustellen." The last sentence was easy, the first .... kopkr17x18.gif



#22 Ayoh

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 01:53 AM

Standard prime*

 

Good to see that Pentax took the time to ship after introduction to another level... ("spring 2018", "summer 2018")

 

In the time it takes Pentax to ship one lens Sony can launch 5 lenses and two new cameras. Glad I switched, Sony is just better in all aspects apart from the nicer build and ergonomics of the Pentax.



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 09:43 AM

     "So "a" Tamron or Sigma 150-600mm means only the best 2? Just to be clear."

 

  The 150-600mm sport and the Tamron G2 are sharper than the Tamron (original G1) and the Sigma 150-600mm Contemporary.......in my view, yes!..


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#24 Kunzite

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 11:28 AM

I am pretty sure the 1st Tamron and the Sigma C also will give that Pentax a run for the money. 

The Pentax has issues finding ANY buyers, so yes, the price has dropped from $7000.

 

Do you know that you can get a Canon EF 500mm f4 L IS USM for less? And that lens will run circles around it too. Not sure why you are hell bent on defending Pentax on this particular lens...  :blink:

 

To be blunt I don't trust your evaluation on this. Not sure why you are hell bent on attacking Pentax on this particular lens...  :rolleyes: (nor what is your experience with it, that you hate it so much)



#25 Brightcolours

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 11:35 AM

Because every (the very, very few, because no one wants to own it) image shows it is not super-tele prime-sharp, it has bad aberrations and not nice bokeh for the type of lens. And it is still big because of its archaic design.

 

I don't hate it, why would I hate a lens unless it harmed me or someone else. It just is a crappy product, which makes me wonder why you deny its faults.


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#26 JoJu

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 11:46 AM

This time I don't want to pour more oil into the fire. Kunzite went already to nucelar defense mode, next will be "nuke 'em". :D

I like the slick design of the 50 mm. Although there's already the limited 43 and the "ordinary" 50/1.4, I think Ricoh/Pentax put some effort in this 50 mm.

It's just that this range is widely covered by Pentax, others less so. And debating with a Pentaxian is rather pointless, the whole design concept of Pentax is original, and crying "like me or ignore me". Says a person who owned to Pentax bodies and 5 lenses years ago... Traitor, I know.

#27 Kunzite

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 12:08 PM

My English is not sufficient to decipher the meaning of that sentence. When I put it in DeepL, it is translated to German and tells me "Also bedeutet "a" Tamron oder Sigma 150-600mm nur die besten 2? Nur um das klarzustellen." The last sentence was easy, the first .... kopkr17x18.gif

 

The point is, "a" Tamron or Sigma 150-600 means AFAIK all of them - including the older Tamron (and, I thought at that moment, an older Sigma - but that was a 150-500 :wacko: ).



#28 Kunzite

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 12:10 PM

And debating with a Pentaxian is rather pointless.

Aaand... we're getting closer to the real issue ;)

#29 Kunzite

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 12:35 PM

 

     "So "a" Tamron or Sigma 150-600mm means only the best 2? Just to be clear."

 

  The 150-600mm sport and the Tamron G2 are sharper than the Tamron (original G1) and the Sigma 150-600mm Contemporary.......in my view, yes!..

 

 

Dave, when I asked for the clarification I had in mind the old Tamron and the Sigma 150-500 (yes, I know...) which IMO are nothing special at their long end (OTOH being able to reach such focal lengths for cheap was an impressive feat).

 

The best way for this dilemma, IMO, would be for Sigma to launch one of their lenses in K-mount, even the Contemporary. You won't see me insistently asking for this because (almost certainly) I wouldn't buy.

As a Pentaxian (by definition the enemy of some gentlemen here), I'd want Ricoh Imaging to get out their own lenses, as much as possible.



#30 dave's clichés

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 01:45 PM

Aaand... we're getting closer to the real issue ;)

 

  Having been a Pentaxian, I still have a soft spot for the brand, so any criticisms I discuss here are because I do think Pentax could do better, for shooters and for themselves.

  We have seen the writing on the wall as to ML, some of it is panic mode, and some is just plain actualities and is happening right under our noses.

  The K1 brought a huge wave of enthusiasm to the brand but Pentax are testing their clients fidelity to the limit by taking an age to bring out standard glass in a timely manner....

   .....and Tamron have them all,  all those missing lenses.....better to have a reasonable slice of a lot than a large slice of very little...and all a Pentaxian can do is gaze longingly over the fence at the huge amount of new glass flooding the market.

  

  A super risky business plan in my view and one which I foresee not lasting the course!

 

 

   As for the DA 560mm and it's odd design, but I wouldn't call it crappy,  however, it is below the level of the competition in IQ, with a stop less light......(btw it also suffers from purple fringing)

 

           The Nikor 200-500mm is also F5.6 constant and only 60mm less in FL, for around $1400 (or so)  and it is more compact and zooms out to 200mm with VR.... a no brainer F5.6............. the Tammy G2 is only 1/3rd of a stop slower and goes to 600mm! (for a bunch of peanuts)

 

                    When one puts things in perspective and compares the DA against it's bountiful competitive lenses,  it doesn't stack up well......bring it down to $2250 and the picture looks a little more rosy!

 

   Ricoh's business is also suffering from falling photocopier sales.......which can't be helping.

 

  I just wish I could write something positive about the future of the K mount....... I really do!

   

 

 

       To your last post Kunzite;

 

  The Tammy G1 is out of production now anyway so not worth re-badging as the G2 is it's replacement, they re-badged the 24-70mm F2.8 Tamron, after a year their G2 version is available and has de-moded the PK version. 

 The 150-500mm Sigma was a lack lustre lens, worse than the 50-500mm that I owned.

  Why Sigma? they have made it clear they no longer want to serve the K mount? Tamron still has a business relationship with Pentax.



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 01:58 PM

Indeed, the resolution of the Pentax 560 at f5.6 is mediocre, as shown here: https://www.pentaxfo.../sharpness.html

The image has a major lack of contrast and a hazy look similar to old f1.4 lenses shot wide-open.

The IQ is not even close to the recent 150-600 lenses from Tamron and Sigma.

Quite pathetic unfortunately...

 

And I used to be a Pentax shooter. I really liked their cameras.


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Posted 03 November 2017 - 03:23 PM

As a Pentaxian (by definition the enemy of some gentlemen here), I'd want Ricoh Imaging to get out their own lenses, as much as possible.


I don't call camera owners, no matter which brand as "enemies". If you need to do so, that's entirely your game. To use your word: "your definition". But that sentence alone leaves me with the impression of a quite narrow minded person on the other side of the screen. It's an impression, not a verdict about you. Not knowing about the current choices of affordable and pretty good performing 150-600 lenses is another thing. Sigma had their reasons to redraw from Pentax. Even they who make some pretty exotic cameras and lenses are kind of tired. It were Pentax bodies I learnt to enjoy the Sigma quality with and that was before the Global Vision concept of Art, Sports and Comtemporary series got started. There were many good features in Pentax bodies, it's a shame their products are no longer seen in normal stores.

#33 Kunzite

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 03:58 PM

I have a problem with "evaluating" a lens only from reading reviews ;) I'd rather listen to the owner's experience, and I've seen some quite good images taken with it.

By the way, to quote from the review: "This lens is already quite sharp wide-open, and it becomes very sharp and contrasty when stopped down to F8."

 

As a Pentaxian, I want Pentax to do better. I'm even helping them with my money ;)

But calling the DA 560mm "crappy" is nothing more than bashing. We can agree it's an imperfect lens, and on the necessity of replacement.

 

One of the reasons I'm biased against Pentax rebadging more Tamrons is people are now assuming that every single Pentax lens is a rebadge. I admit not being entirely objective about this.

But the root cause - brand dilution, as opposed to regaining their prestige of a top lens manufacturer - is a real issue.

There's also the matter of offering something not available to the competition, especially not available at lower prices (as would surely be the case). There's also the matter of re-gaining expertise in this niche, patents, etc. to make possible more ambitious designs.

 

Sigma never said they no longer want to serve the K-mount (although I don't see any sign of new K-mount products from their side).

I think they're more likely to launch (on their own) a K-mount super tele zoom than Tamron. But it doesn't matter which of them would be doing it.

 

As for writing something more positive... that's easy: just remember the subject of this thread. A D FA* 50mm f/1.4 on schedule for a Spring launch - top-end lens, with a ring-type SDM motor; a DA* 11-18mm f/2.8 on schedule for a Summer launch; that means they're not abandoning the high-end APS-C.

 

By the way, those D FA* lenses make me slightly more confident about some future super teles.



#34 Kunzite

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 04:02 PM

 narrow minded person

 

This is the second time you're jumping to personal attacks.

This says quite a lot about you, and nothing about me.



#35 toni-a

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 07:01 PM

Kunzite is happy with Pentax that's fine, other systems have much more lenses but you can't wear more than one shirt.
If he has the lenses he needs that's fine.
I don't own anything beyond 300mm, i don't remember the last time I used a focal longer than 100mm (105 actually) or wider than 15mm (I am on APS-C)
If I were in Pentax land I wouldn't miss much when it comes to lenses.
Pentax has its limitations yes but many are happy with it.
I use Windows phone, no new phones since long time, almost no apps, yet i am happy using it, it's extremely reliable, and nobody is wasting his time making viruses targeting very few Windows Phone mobile users, I know android and apple phones are more capable and have much more apps but i am happy where i am

#36 Kunzite

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 10:30 PM

Everyone should be happy with the system he's using, or else he should jump ship.

 

I'm actually waiting for the ultra wide-angle - I'd want something smaller and lighter than the 15-30 (yet wider than 28mm). It's because I don't have everything I will ever buy, that I'm happy about this pre-announcement.



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Posted 04 November 2017 - 01:31 AM

I bought 300D in 2004 and was extremely happy using it, it gave me so many keepers, in 2006 I upgraded to 30D then  got 17-55f2.8, that was my main gear till 2015 was very satisfied never felt I was missing something, even when 30D mirror box died in 2010 I switched back to 300D and was fine, a 6MP 8 year old camera body that was not a serious gear yet my photography didn't suffer. 

In 2015 as I had an excellent job and had plenty of money I got full frame 5D then 24MP 750D then the outstanding 7Dmkii, plus  10 new lenses among other gear, did my photography get better ? I can't see I have more keepers.

I see myself each time deciding which gear to take and I finish carrying all three camera bags when only one camera and one lens will be actually used....



#38 JoJu

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Posted 04 November 2017 - 10:49 AM

Last word on that "personal attack" complaint, kunzite. You're very easily and quickly feeling personally attacked when it's about Pentax.
You don't even care reading but go fast to "interpretation mode". It might help not to see a camera brand a substitute for a religious confession and not everybody is banging them when one dares to point out weaknesses of a lens you even don't own.
In thisnthread I counted about 4 ex-Pentax-users, including me. All of us had reasons to look elsewhwere finding what we were searching for. That doesn't question your decision to stay with the brand.

#39 dave's clichés

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Posted 04 November 2017 - 10:51 AM

Windows and it's keyboard shortcuts!

 

  How do you get rid of these accidental posts that seem not to want to go away?



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Posted 04 November 2017 - 10:52 AM

 

Everyone should be happy with the system he's using, or else he should jump ship.

 

I'm actually waiting for the ultra wide-angle - I'd want something smaller and lighter than the 15-30 (yet wider than 28mm). It's because I don't have everything I will ever buy, that I'm happy about this pre-announcement.

  Agreed!  The ultra wide looks like it could be a great "bright" asset to the lens line as will be the DA* 50mm F1.4........

 

    .........maybe it's a question of age, I think it could be some years until the lens range comes together, (and I hope it does).

 

  however, who can predict the future, these days I tend to work on the....

   

  ..."I don't know what I want, but I want it now   ......scenario!"

 

Actually, Sigma had stated that they had no plans to expand their lens line up in the K mount, existing K mounts are still there!

 

 

  In the end it's the images that tell the story....not the gear!   .. as Toni says.......

 

     but you will always find gear heads on a lens testing site....it's normal behavour.....usually occupying their own "brand castle" checking their "moat" first thing in the morning to see if any undesirable brand adversaries have succumbed to the waters. 

 

   Check your moat Kunsite,  you might find an old Nikonian....... it might even be me!   :P   :D

 

  and may Pentax live forever!






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