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#1 Klaus

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:25 PM

Pana G9 (1700 EUR/USD)

http://www.panasonic...eras/dc-g9.html

 

Leica 200mm f/2.8 (3000 USD)

http://www.panasonic...es/h-es200.html

 

The pricing is a "little" over the top if you ask me ...


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:42 PM

"[Mechanical shutter / Electronic first curtain shutter]AFS/MF: H: 12 frames/sec, M: 7 frames/sec (with Live View), L: 2 frames/sec (with Live View) *When H-ES12060 is used./[Mechanical shutter / Electronic first curtain shutter]AFF/AFC: H: 9 frames/sec (with Live View), M: 7 frames/sec (with Live View), L: 2 frames/sec (with Live View) *When H-ES12060 is used./[Electronic shutter]AFS/MF: SH: 60 frames/sec, H: 12 frames/sec, M: 7 frames/sec (with Live View), L: 2 frames/sec (with Live View)/[Electronic shutter]AFF/AFC: SH: 20 frames/sec, H: 9 frames/sec (with Live View), M: 7 frames/sec (with Live View), L: 2 frames/sec (with Live View)"

Have not yet been able to decode what H, M, L, SH stand for.
In my opinion, the electronic shutter fast FPS stuff is senseless, because of rolling shutter (one tends to shoot moving subjects, when using high FPS).

Nice "little" camera, quite a high price indeed. That it shoots 4K is a bonus for those who have the need and ability to shoot and post process/edit 4K footage on a budget. I'd lack the need, and the processing power.

The lens, yeah.. A tad expensive.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 06:13 PM

Indeed, a tad expensive lens. To put it mildly. 😚 New reality in overall declining camera industry, unit profitability being put ahead of possibly higher volumes. Of course, one might say Catch 22 applies.

Nevertheless, I like the choice is there. Camera itself, not my cup of tea, but seems to be impresive piece. Great EVF, sensor and DFD based AF further improved. My experience with AF in G7 is actually very good. I am curious what reviews will say.

Extremely high FPS some might care about, I don’t see the need. Capital letters abreviations are there for high, medium, low, super high, I reckon.

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 09:53 PM

"[Mechanical shutter / Electronic first curtain shutter]AFS/MF: H: 12 frames/sec, M: 7 frames/sec (with Live View), L: 2 frames/sec (with Live View) *When H-ES12060 is used./[Mechanical shutter / Electronic first curtain shutter]AFF/AFC: H: 9 frames/sec (with Live View), M: 7 frames/sec (with Live View), L: 2 frames/sec (with Live View) *When H-ES12060 is used./[Electronic shutter]AFS/MF: SH: 60 frames/sec, H: 12 frames/sec, M: 7 frames/sec (with Live View), L: 2 frames/sec (with Live View)/[Electronic shutter]AFF/AFC: SH: 20 frames/sec, H: 9 frames/sec (with Live View), M: 7 frames/sec (with Live View), L: 2 frames/sec (with Live View)"

Have not yet been able to decode what H, M, L, SH stand for.
In my opinion, the electronic shutter fast FPS stuff is senseless, because of rolling shutter (one tends to shoot moving subjects, when using high FPS).

Nice "little" camera, quite a high price indeed. That it shoots 4K is a bonus for those who have the need and ability to shoot and post process/edit 4K footage on a budget. I'd lack the need, and the processing power.

The lens, yeah.. A tad expensive.

High
Medium
Low
Super High 

???



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:50 AM

Aside video performance Nikon D500 and Canon 7Dmkii would easily eat it for breakfast, the asking price seems quite steep

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 09:18 AM

The G9 really is expensive, but still cheaper than the Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II, the direct competitor.

 

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 10:48 AM

Aside video performance Nikon D500 and Canon 7Dmkii would easily eat it for breakfast, the asking price seems quite steep

 

Don't say that too loud ... you may be wrong there. At least regarding the Canon.


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Posted 09 November 2017 - 11:16 AM

This Pany 200 f2.8 is absurdly expensive and large for what it is:

  • Pany 200 f2.8: 8,75 x 17.4 cm, 1245g, $3000
  • Canon 200 f2.8: 8.38 x 13.72 cm, 765g, $750

The Canon lens, which covers a full frame sensor, costs a fourth of the price, is much smaller and is almost half the weight!

Sure, the Canon doesn't feature OIS and is an older design. But does it justify the difference?

I find it very hard to swallow.


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Posted 09 November 2017 - 11:46 AM

Aside video performance Nikon D500 and Canon 7Dmkii would easily eat it for breakfast, the asking price seems quite steep

 

Sure. Just because you're saying so...  ^_^

 

I wonder where you get all this super precise inside information from. And the 20 fps (no matter how usable it is without LV) is on another breakfast table?  :D

 

I'm teasing you, but since you're not travelling in mirrorless lands, why not just keep the prejudices a little bit more tame?

 

Honestly I never had a GH type Pana in hands. But I saw a GH 5 in the shopping window... well, one could hide an Oly inside it. Any Oly. I was very surprised how massive that body was. And knowing Panasonic for their top quality laptops, I'm nearly sure, the GH can take easily the same bumps and drops or splashes one would dare to attack a D500 / 7D with. Well, why not? They save some space because of the smaller sensor. Although any size or weight advantage falls pretty short, as well as more batteries are needed.

 

As for the prices of the lens: I don't think they will sell thousands of them like Canon does. But it's pretty much in line of my expectation for a couple of special long primes - and it's a LEICA-badge on it... I'm surprised they didn't just double the price  ;)



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 12:21 PM

Maybe Panasonic has been hanging around Leica too much, and the price bloating disease is contagious.  :D



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 12:32 PM

This Pany 200 f2.8 is absurdly expensive and large for what it is:

  • Pany 200 f2.8: 8,75 x 17.4 cm, 1245g, $3000
  • Canon 200 f2.8: 8.38 x 13.72 cm, 765g, $750

Let me fix that for you ;)
  • Pany 200 f2.8: 8,75 x 17.4 cm, 1245g, $3000
  • Canon 200 f2.8: 8.38 x 13.72 cm, 765g, $750
  • Canon 400 f5.6: 9 x 25.6 cm, 1250g, $1250
Doesn't change much about the conclusion, though. Yep, insanely expensive, even though it comes with a free TC...
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#12 JoJu

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 12:40 PM

... and the G9 with a free grip for pre-orderers...



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 12:47 PM

 

- and it's a LEICA-badge on it... I'm surprised they didn't just double the price  ;)

  I would be surprised if they hadn't already tripled it!  :o 

 

 

   With the camera being the size it is, they could have squeezed in an APS-C sensor at least....... realistically is it any smaller than the X1D?

 

    Panasonic is testing the price waters here!



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 01:19 PM

  



#15 JoJu

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 01:21 PM

  

 

Dave, that's one of the least offensive posts ever made in PZ.

 

:D


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#16 dave's clichés

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 01:53 PM

Dave, that's one of the least offensive posts ever made in PZ.

 

:D

 

   Thanks JoJu!

 

       Yep, unbiased and non controversial,  fanboy free and will not offend even the most sensitive of beings......

 

    truly one of my finest master-strokes of diplomacy!  :P

 

 

   How the hell do you get rid of these unfilled posts?  :unsure:

 

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 02:03 PM

"we"?

 

Are Sire talking of "notre Majesté"?



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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:17 PM

Let me fix that for you ;)

  • Pany 200 f2.8: 8,75 x 17.4 cm, 1245g, $3000
  • Canon 200 f2.8: 8.38 x 13.72 cm, 765g, $750
  • Canon 400 f5.6: 9 x 25.6 cm, 1250g, $1250
Doesn't change much about the conclusion, though. Yep, insanely expensive, even though it comes with a free TC...

 

Regarding comparing with the Canon EF 200mm f2.8 L II:

  • It makes sense to compare it, because the same focal length and max. aperture, should give a comparable price
  • Still not fair to compare it, because that Canon lens is a really old lens, with a really deflated price. A new Canon EF 200mm f2.8 L IS USM would not cost $750. Probably also not as high as $3000, though  ;)

Regarding the EF 400mm f5.6 L USM:

  • Makes sense to compare it because it is equivalent (don't let Wim hear that)
  • Not fair because that Canon is also really old, with a really deflated price. A new Canon EF 400mm f5.6 IS USM would not cost $1250.


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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:42 PM

Someone said the "equivalence" code?  :huh:
 
:lol:
 

When it launches in January 2018, some functions on the 200mm F2.8 will not be compatible with the Panasonic GH5, and a firmware update slated for March will take care of that.

 
Whhhuuuut? I read "we don't care about existing cameras and their users, if you need that lens, get a new camera to use it early"  <_< Not exactly a slick move...

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Posted 09 November 2017 - 04:48 PM

Must be a very complex software issue that they need to solve to get that lens to work  :lol:






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