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#1 Klaus

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:16 AM

It looks quite nice - I give them that at least

http://info.meyer-op...nium_ii_presale


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:41 AM

Thankfully I was never aware that there has been a version I, else I would've been practicing sarcasm on it (and the other similar releases) to no end. :) Seriously, doesn't that feel like an old soviet Helios from the days of yore in a shiny new housing (a nice looking housing, I have to concede, but that doesn't nearly justify the price in my opinion).



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:50 AM

Yaaaawwwnn. Another manual focus shard. Who knows, one day this kind of "bokeh" (to me a nervous disaster behind the model) will come in fashion...

 

Maybe for a mirrorless, for DSLr the focusing will be inaccurate most of the time.



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:29 AM

Yes, I'm wondering why they consider this to be a good bokeh. It'd certain fall through my criteria ... ;-)


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:48 AM

¨The flowers are nice, though, but the portraits... Okay, something an iPhone will not fake in the near future.



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:51 AM

Hey - I can understand the urge to go all stoned and zoned out of their mind (image-wise; this boken makes me dizzy), but not to the tune of paying $2000 (or even the "preliminary" price of $1000). :)



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 12:34 PM

Construction 6 elements in 4 groups

Similar bokeh have been seen from old lenses without any asperical elements

 

@ Rover - can you still buy those Helios and Industar lenses from Russia. I'm asking this question because I have seen such bokeh from Russian porthret photographers. When I asked them the answer was Helios bla bla :mellow:



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:19 PM

Googe told me this 

https://www.ebay.com...d-/183071487687

 

The question is are they optically the same

What I already know

1. Output results are similar to what I have been seen. This triggers me to search

and come to 

2. Helios 85mm/1.5  6 elements 4 groups

3. Many differences

   - exterior

   - made in label

   - ???



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:39 PM

       The old Helios is still being made and can be bought from Amazon for $489 dollars new.....for Nikon.

 

 https://www.amazon.c...a/dp/B00B85WA2C

 

   there are only two left!

 

   6 elements in 4 groups....it has 10 bladed aperture...difficult to know if it has those strange scalloped blades of the original version...ironically they can be more expensive on ebay S/H....IMHO that is not expensive....if that's your cup of char? 

   

   How much the old Helios resembles the new Meyer optically, who knows?......a pound to a penny they are the same...your pound my penny.

 

 

  

   I prefer the castle style construction of the old model than the "plain tube type" to me it has lost any character.

 

 

                  ....they are both Mk II versions.

 

     I'll stick to my modified Helios 58mm F2 Nikon mount that I bought for 4 euros, for that bubble bokeh that I tired of pretty quickly.



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:12 PM

@ Klaus - I would not spent time to review this lens - there are already plenty reviews of Russian version. 

Google says - 

http://bobatkins.com...1-5_review.html

https://fstoppers.co...85mm-f15-123348

@dave -  :mellow: I dont know which is beter Russian Lada or German Trabant. They both are similar - simple, reliable and easy maintainable :-) :mellow:

Some gossips said that Helios was copied from Zeiss, It seems now  Meyer Optik is coping Helios. Next logical step is Zeiss to re-label Mayer Optik <_< :)



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:48 PM

@ Klaus - I would not spent time to review this lens - there are already plenty reviews of Russian version. 

Google says - 

http://bobatkins.com...1-5_review.html

https://fstoppers.co...85mm-f15-123348

@dave -  :mellow: I dont know which is beter Russian Lada or German Trabant. They both are similar - simple, reliable and easy maintainable :-) :mellow:

Some gossips said that Helios was copied from Zeiss, It seems now  Meyer Optik is coping Helios. Next logical step is Zeiss to re-label Mayer Optik <_< :)

 

    If it's the same as the Helios 85 mm F1.5 Klaus has already reviewed it on this site..........see under Pentax, tested on the K10 the full scope of the lens's FOV  lies beyond the APSc sensor, as does most of the bubble bokeh blur and all. 

  To quote Klaus from the review:  

   " I think the Helios would be a good boot camp for Rookies on a budget who want to explore the ultra-large aperture world"

   Somehow the new version at $1,000 doesn't seem appropriate for rookies on a budget!

 

   and yes built like the proverbial T34 tanks!



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:06 PM

@ Klaus - I would not spent time to review this lens - there are already plenty reviews of Russian version. 

Google says - 

http://bobatkins.com...1-5_review.html

https://fstoppers.co...85mm-f15-123348

@dave -  :mellow: I dont know which is beter Russian Lada or German Trabant. They both are similar - simple, reliable and easy maintainable :-) :mellow:

Some gossips said that Helios was copied from Zeiss, It seems now  Meyer Optik is coping Helios. Next logical step is Zeiss to re-label Mayer Optik <_< :)

 

 

Do you think I would buy an exotic lens with a resale value of zilch for testing? ;-)


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:22 PM

I believe that everyone's needs - as far as 85mm focal length is concerned - are served by the Tamron VC. :) And in the E mount ecosystem the Sony f/1.8 looks like the steal of the century. :)

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 09:22 AM

Are they kidding, check this photo quite dreadful, you wonder if is correctly focused check the model eyes 

Such a bokeh is quite odd marketing a lens flaw as a characteristic....well

If someone is dumb enough to pay money for such a lens, he deserves well his losses.

 

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 12:56 PM

Yes, it's crazy. I've seen just a handful of photos in which that kind of bokeh works, and they are not portraits, but landscapes where the bokeh pattern is repeating a similar structure in the foreground. It would be nice to have a lens for those rare cases (actually, as said above, Helios lenses do that), but I wouldn't spend such a great amount of money...


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:20 PM

considering a flaw as a characteristic ans making people pay money for it is insane, using a camera like 5Dmkiv any lens can do that in a customiseable way too



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Posted 14 February 2018 - 11:37 PM

No one is "making people pay money for it" - people pay or don't, and if they don't the show is over quickly. And if they do, it's out of free will. I just wonder how much comments this thing generates.






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