[Klaus]

[url="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-07/canon-clinging-to-mirrors-means-opportunity-for-sony-cameras.html"]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-07/canon-clinging-to-mirrors-means-opportunity-for-sony-cameras.html[/url]

[popo]

Wrote this on another forum so might as well cut&paste it here too <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



It would have been useful if they could show how DSLR unit and revenue sales have progressed since the introduction of mirrorless. They're using the "interchangeable lens" shares for headlines and it is inevitable they will eat into the existing share if they define it that way. Moving from counting from DSLRs only, to DSLRs + something else, the DSLR share can only go down by that calculation. The question is are they being bought instead of DSLRs, in addition to DSLRs, or instead of something else?



And are they really comparing the Pentax Q to a SLR?...

[wim]

Accordign to my sources, the mirrorless cams are eating into sales of the lower end dslrs, and the higher end compacts.



Of course, that is a rather local view of things. It may be different elsewhere.



Having said that, I am rather intrigued by the Samsung NX200 <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.



Kind regards, Wim

[Guest]

[quote name='popo' timestamp='1315504654' post='11436']And are they really comparing the Pentax Q to a SLR?...[/quote]



No, they compare it with an Apple iPhone. Anyhow, based on the numbers in the article the DSLR market shows still strong growth (Canon estimates by 24% in 2011). I suppose Canon and Nikon can live with that. The situation will only become critical once this growth slows down. Right now the bigger high end compacts (e.g. Canon G12 and Nikon P7100) are probably hit hardest by the rise of the mirrorless.

[popo]

I think at one point they were comparing the weight of the Q to an entry level Canon DSLR.



Personally I've found while some claim mirrorless are in some middle sweet spot between compacts and SLRs, I'm finding the opposite. If I want small size, I go compact with built in lens. If I want performance, I go DSLR. Mirrorless is something in between but not quite satisfying either of my needs well at the moment.

[Klaus]

[quote name='Sammy' timestamp='1315551859' post='11443']

No, they compare it with an Apple iPhone. Anyhow, based on the numbers in the article the DSLR market shows still strong growth (Canon estimates by 24% in 2011). I suppose Canon and Nikon can live with that. The situation will only become critical once this growth slows down. Right now the bigger high end compacts (e.g. Canon G12 and Nikon P7100) are probably hit hardest by the rise of the mirrorless.

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Can Canon and Nikon really live with 24% growth when Panasonic and Sony exceed this figure by a significant margin ?



Anyway, it's not too late I guess. They both have significantly more resources than the rest so they have the potential to catch up. If the rumor mill is correct Nikon's reaction seems rather doomed though.

[popo]

A new market growth will always seem high. From zero, the only way is up. Was the 24% in units, revenue or profit? The questions are what profit are they making from this, and what sales can they maintain when it is more mature.

[Guest]

As popo indicates 1 to 2 is 100% but a whole lot less than 1,000,000 to 1,100,0000 which is only 10%. Anyways it would be nice to see both % and absolute numbers.

[Guest]

Canon and Nikon once started off by making affordable copies of Leica cameras. I wish they'd do it again. Put a Fullframe sensor in an Evil body, replace range finder with highquality EVF and make some great lenses from 16 to 135mm for it, including a 2.8 normal and an uwa zoom. lenses longer than 135mm are probably not waranted as they wont be more compact than todays dslr-lenses. For those long lenses one could have an adapter, à la sony.

[wim]

[quote name='jenbenn' timestamp='1315570887' post='11451']

Canon and Nikon once started off by making affordable copies of Leica cameras. I wish they'd do it again. Put a Fullframe sensor in an Evil body, replace range finder with highquality EVF and make some great lenses from 16 to 135mm for it, including a 2.8 normal and an uwa zoom. lenses longer than 135mm are probably not waranted as they wont be more compact than todays dslr-lenses. For those long lenses one could have an adapter, à la sony.

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I think they really need to do three different cams, to try and corner th eentire market, or rather, three ranges:



1. FF sensor camera, as you indicate yourself - will be fairly expensive

2. APS-C type sensor - for those who don't want topay the price, for the FF version, and likely a little smaller too; could share lenses, but will at least have a few extra lenses at the short end for (U)WA

3. An even smaller sensor, maybe half APS-C - for a more compact and hopefully cheaper model and lenses



And of course adapters so the lenses of 1 and 2 can be used on 3, and another set of adapters so EOS lenses can be used on these cameras as well.



If they would launch all three simultaneously, I'd think they'd corner the market completely <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.



Kind regards, Wim