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Nikkor Z lens roadmap
#11
(08-23-2018, 05:27 AM)Klaus Wrote: That won't scare Sony too much ... no affordable tele zoom lens till at least 2022? They must be joking.
  Maybe the expect to folks to use the f to z adapter ? Also those bodies don't seem aimed at people looking for affordable cameras (well maybe the first one but i suspect that second one will cost an arm and both legs).
#12
(08-23-2018, 02:51 PM)obican Wrote: I like the idea of having a 50/1.2, especially since they're already releasing a good quality 50/1.8 anyway.

Most people went for the 50/1.4 instead of the f/1.8 models because the former were made to higher standards, optics were better, AF was better etc. Since then the f/1.8 lenses have gotten a lot better. Sony/Zeiss 55/1.8 is a prime example of that. This Nikon 50/1.8 will probably be another example.

Why would you go for a 50/1.4 if the 50/1.8 is already good enough? For half stop faster aperture?

That's where 50/1.2 makes sense. It's a FULL STOP faster. That might be worth it over the f/1.8 model.
Nitpicking: 
f2 to f1.4 is 1 stop.
f1.8 is 1/3rd of a stop faster than f2, so 2/3rd stop slower than f1.4.
F1.2 usually is 1/2 stop faster than f1.4, so f1.2 is more than 1 stop faster than f1.8.

1/2 stop scale:
f1, f1.2, f1.4, f1.7, f2
1/3 stop scale:
f1, f1.1, f1.3, f1.4, f1.6, f1.8, f2
#13
The 50mm f/1.8 will go for 600USD, the 35mm f/1.8 for 850USD. Mad ...
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#14
Nitpicking.

There'll be enough vignette on the edges to they'll probably all have the same exposure except for the center anyway.

Still, I think having a 50/1.2 in there makes sense and that's what Sony should've done too.

Fun fact, Canon only had a 50/1.8 and a 50/1.0 for the first 6 years of their EOS line. 50/1.4 came out in 1993.
#15
I think the same as Brightcolours for 58/1.2.
It is show model. Especially putting the legendary NOCT name on it. Who knows it can be succesful like the new mini cooper or disaster like VW beetle.
Shallow DoF was something used by pro to distigwust them from zillons of P&S snapsooters.

Unfortunately the modern smartphonses produce somehow shallow DoF. The result is Internet is overloaded with shallowDoF portraits.
Another NOCT use cases was low light photography when ISO1600 was the grainiest film

(08-23-2018, 04:05 PM)obican Wrote: Fun fact, Canon only had a 50/1.8 and a 50/1.0 for the first 6 years of their EOS line. 50/1.4 came out in 1993.

ANother funny fact. Canon 50/1,8 MK1 and 50/1,0L are rock solid. I still have one in my back. While 50/1,4 has crappy long term reliability issues.
#16
(08-23-2018, 04:05 PM)obican Wrote: Nitpicking.

There'll be enough vignette on the edges to they'll probably all have the same exposure except for the center anyway.

Still, I think having a 50/1.2 in there makes sense and that's what Sony should've done too.

Fun fact, Canon only had a 50/1.8 and a 50/1.0 for the first 6 years of their EOS line. 50/1.4 came out in 1993.

With vignetting, the center gets affected anyway.
Sony uses a too small mount, which means a LOT of light loss due to vignetting, at larger apertures. That is why Sony uses a LOT of extra amplification on their FF models when using big apertures (compare the results of a 50mm f1.4 on the A7/9 range, and on for instance a Nex-5R.)
So, for Sony it makes less sense to have a 50mm f1.2, their mount simply is too narrow and a lot of catseye will be seen (like with the 50-55mm f1.2 lenses of the 60's/70's).
The wide Nikon Z mount does make a 50mm f0.95 lens make more sense than a 50mm f1.2 on Sony E-mount...
#17
(08-23-2018, 04:02 PM)Klaus Wrote: The 50mm f/1.8 will go for 600USD, the 35mm f/1.8 for 850USD. Mad ...

Well, the Fuji 18mm f2 and 35mm f1.4 were $600 USD on release, and the 60mm marco was $650, so it's not that surprising.

Early adopters always end up paying for the rest of us.

EDIT: Also, now that digital cameras are no longer a growing market, and that new bodies have to compete with last year's models (Sony's entry-level E-mount camera is actually the A6000 after all: it was their mid range offering in the past), I think we'll see lenses in particular being offered at higher prices than in the past, as companies are trying to get higher margins from their products.

That's one reason I would REALLY want to see more 3rd party autofocus lenses offered for mirrorless cameras.
#18
(08-23-2018, 04:06 PM)miro Wrote: I think the same as Brightcolours for 58/1.2.
It is show model. Especially putting the legendary NOCT name on it. Who knows it can be succesful like the new mini cooper or disaster like VW beetle.
Shallow DoF was something used by pro to distigwust them from zillons of P&S snapsooters.

Unfortunately the modern smartphonses produce somehow shallow DoF. The result is Internet is overloaded with shallowDoF portraits.
Another NOCT use cases was low light photography when ISO1600 was the grainiest film

(08-23-2018, 04:05 PM)obican Wrote: Fun fact, Canon only had a 50/1.8 and a 50/1.0 for the first 6 years of their EOS line. 50/1.4 came out in 1993.

ANother funny fact. Canon 50/1,8 MK1 and 50/1,0L are rock solid. I still have one in my back. While 50/1,4 has crappy long term reliability issues.

You have a 50mm f1.0L in your back??

(08-23-2018, 04:02 PM)Klaus Wrote: The 50mm f/1.8 will go for 600USD, the 35mm f/1.8 for 850USD. Mad ...
Mad? This is mad:

Sony:
Sony Zeiss FE 55m f1.8 ZA : 899.99 USD. A 7 element lens, by the way.
Sony Zeiss FE 35mm f2.8 ZA : 799.99 USD. A 7 element lens, too.

And sure, the price of the Nikkor AF-S 58mm f1.4 G 1599.99 USD, that is extra mad. Madder than Sony at least.
#19
So it would be pot (Nikon) calling the kettle (Sony) black. Smile I guess we'd all better remember which year we're living in - the times of the cheap small lenses are gone. Dead and buried by the high resolution sensors all demanding the best quality. Smile
#20
(08-23-2018, 05:26 PM)Brightcolours Wrote: Sony:
Sony Zeiss FE 55m f1.8 ZA : 899.99 USD. A 7 element lens, by the way.
Sony Zeiss FE 35mm f2.8 ZA : 799.99 USD. A 7 element lens, too.

And sure, the price of the Nikkor AF-S 58mm f1.4 G 1599.99 USD, that is extra mad. Madder than Sony at least.

Well, the Sony 50mm f/1.8 costs 199USD ...
The Sony 85mm f/1.8 costs a reasonable 550USD.

Citing the price tags of Zeiss lenses as a comparison is only sort of valid. We all know that there's an extra premium just because of the brand name.
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