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sagu

This article [url="http://www.cscrumors.com/2012/05/15/nikons-trojan-horse-strategy-the-release-of-nikon-1-mount-while-waiting-for-canons-likely-sized-four-thirds-sized-compact-system-camera/"]here[/url] talks on reasonings for Nikon to come out with the Nikon 1 system while waiting for Canon's offers in the compact system cameras world.



Do you think Nikon and Canon will come out in future with a full frame compact system camera?

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[quote name='sagu' timestamp='1337110029' post='18227']Do you think Nikon and Canon will come out in future with a full frame compact system camera?[/quote]



Nikon, Canon, and/or Sony may well bring at some stage a full frame mirrorless cam to the market. Just how "compact" this is going to be is more questionable.
[quote name='sagu' timestamp='1337110029' post='18227']

This article [url="http://www.cscrumors.com/2012/05/15/nikons-trojan-horse-strategy-the-release-of-nikon-1-mount-while-waiting-for-canons-likely-sized-four-thirds-sized-compact-system-camera/"]here[/url] talks on reasonings for Nikon to come out with the Nikon 1 system while waiting for Canon's offers in the compact system cameras world.



Do you think Nikon and Canon will come out in future with a full frame compact system camera?

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This disingenuous poster's every message here links back to the same website.



Not just here, but at several other forums, for example:



http://forum.photozone.de/index.php?/top...m-cameras/

http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/sony/37215...ystem.html

http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/sony/...ost2586766

http://forums.photographyreview.com/comp...post506691

sagu

As far as I know I have not been insulting anyone at this or other forums and have participated in constructive discussions.
[quote name='Sammy' timestamp='1337110779' post='18228']

Nikon, Canon, and/or Sony may well bring at some stage a full frame mirrorless cam to the market. Just how "compact" this is going to be is more questionable.

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Unlikely IMHO. APS-C/MFT is the sweet spot for such kind of camera. Nor is there a broad need for a FF mirrorless camera.

I couldn't care less for sure.

frank

An APS-C size mirrorless is already not that compact (x-pro 1).
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An APS-C size mirrorless is already not that compact (x-pro 1).

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Sony and Samsung cameras are quite compact. At least without their lenses <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />



-- Markus

sagu

Yes, both Samsung NX and Sony are compact without their lenses but imagine taking photos of fauna with a 300mm or 400 mm lens. We have already a FF mirror less lineup from Leica but focusing technology differs.



Biggest challenges I could see for both Nikon and Canon is backwards compatibility which Nikon already managed to deliver with their hybrid focusing system. Now the doubt is what sensor size will Canon use in their compact system cameras for their pro summer mirror less line up. As Canon is the leader I am sure Nikon will follow with a similar size but likely with extra experience gathered with the Nikon 1 CX.

PuxaVida

[quote name='mst' timestamp='1337145119' post='18242']

Sony and Samsung cameras are quite compact. At least without their lenses <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />



-- Markus

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That's why I call them "compact cameras" instead of "compact systems" <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />...



I personally find the Fuji x-pro1 is the sweet spot. Compact does not mean "as small as it gets" to me. It is enough if it could be "relatively" small, without loosing the weight balance in system, and without sacrificing from IQ... M9 is also compact for me for instance (compared to D700)...



Serkan

Steinar1

Agree with you Serkan and Fuji seems to have found the way to design smaller optics, whereas Samsung and Sony still bring out relatively big/heavy lenses for APS-C bodies. Presumably the next step in that evolution will be a camera combining Olympus' AF design with Fuji size and quality.

Sagu probably has a point with respect to tele lenses. APS-C lenses will never be as small as m4/3, I think anyways! It will be very interesting to follow the quality of m4/3 tele lenses.