03-08-2012, 02:40 PM
03-08-2012, 03:36 PM
[quote name='11saje' timestamp='1331217619' post='16481']
Do you plan to test the sony 16-50mm f2.8?
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Well, I've tested it on the NEX 7 (using the EA-LA2) already.
However, the NEX 7 sensor characteristic introduces a point of uncertainty to the tests so I'm not confortable to publish this.
Frankly, I'm a little lost how to proceed on Sony Alpha APS-C. The 24mp sensor is flawed IMHO and the old A700 is fairly old.
Do you plan to test the sony 16-50mm f2.8?
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Well, I've tested it on the NEX 7 (using the EA-LA2) already.
However, the NEX 7 sensor characteristic introduces a point of uncertainty to the tests so I'm not confortable to publish this.
Frankly, I'm a little lost how to proceed on Sony Alpha APS-C. The 24mp sensor is flawed IMHO and the old A700 is fairly old.
11saje
03-08-2012, 05:03 PM
Could you explain what kind of flaw?
Thank you
Thank you
03-08-2012, 06:41 PM
[quote name='Klaus' timestamp='1331220987' post='16484']
Well, I've tested it on the NEX 7 (using the EA-LA2) already.
However, the NEX 7 sensor characteristic introduces a point of uncertainty to the tests so I'm not confortable to publish this.
Frankly, I'm a little lost how to proceed on Sony Alpha APS-C. The 24mp sensor is flawed IMHO and the old A700 is fairly old.
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Did you compare NEX 7+EA-LA2 vs A77?
Well, I've tested it on the NEX 7 (using the EA-LA2) already.
However, the NEX 7 sensor characteristic introduces a point of uncertainty to the tests so I'm not confortable to publish this.
Frankly, I'm a little lost how to proceed on Sony Alpha APS-C. The 24mp sensor is flawed IMHO and the old A700 is fairly old.
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Did you compare NEX 7+EA-LA2 vs A77?
03-09-2012, 07:15 PM
[quote name='youpii' timestamp='1331232082' post='16487']
Did you compare NEX 7+EA-LA2 vs A77?
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Well, I just got a 2nd NEX 7 for comparison with no effect. I will not get an A77 just to verify this once again.
The A55 would be more interesting but 16mp vs 12mp isn't that hot either.
Did you compare NEX 7+EA-LA2 vs A77?
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Well, I just got a 2nd NEX 7 for comparison with no effect. I will not get an A77 just to verify this once again.
The A55 would be more interesting but 16mp vs 12mp isn't that hot either.
11saje
03-09-2012, 11:14 PM
[quote name='Klaus' timestamp='1331320521' post='16511']
Well, I just got a 2nd NEX 7 for comparison with no effect. I will not get an A77 just to verify this once again.
The A55 would be more interesting but 16mp vs 12mp isn't that hot either.
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I had not read your comments about Nex 7 vs Nex5 in the camera forum before to initiate this post.
Happy to have asked the question before to do a mistake.
Well, I just got a 2nd NEX 7 for comparison with no effect. I will not get an A77 just to verify this once again.
The A55 would be more interesting but 16mp vs 12mp isn't that hot either.
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I had not read your comments about Nex 7 vs Nex5 in the camera forum before to initiate this post.
Happy to have asked the question before to do a mistake.
03-09-2012, 11:14 PM
[quote name='Klaus' timestamp='1331320521' post='16511']
Well, I just got a 2nd NEX 7 for comparison with no effect. I will not get an A77 just to verify this once again.
The A55 would be more interesting but 16mp vs 12mp isn't that hot either.
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On the other side, what you got with NEX7 is what others users will get too. You should publish your findings and move on to other gear: We're still waiting for a FF test of the 135 STF <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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Well, I just got a 2nd NEX 7 for comparison with no effect. I will not get an A77 just to verify this once again.
The A55 would be more interesting but 16mp vs 12mp isn't that hot either.
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On the other side, what you got with NEX7 is what others users will get too. You should publish your findings and move on to other gear: We're still waiting for a FF test of the 135 STF <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='

03-10-2012, 06:09 AM
[quote name='youpii' timestamp='1331334852' post='16515']
On the other side, what you got with NEX7 is what others users will get too. You should publish your findings and move on to other gear: We're still waiting for a FF test of the 135 STF <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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This is a lens testing site though. The results shouldn't be polluted by a sensor issue.
I will publish the results though - although I don't think that the Sony community will like this.
On the other side, what you got with NEX7 is what others users will get too. You should publish your findings and move on to other gear: We're still waiting for a FF test of the 135 STF <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='

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This is a lens testing site though. The results shouldn't be polluted by a sensor issue.
I will publish the results though - although I don't think that the Sony community will like this.
anyscreenamewilldo
03-10-2012, 07:39 AM
[quote name='Klaus' timestamp='1331359778' post='16519']
This is a lens testing site though. The results shouldn't be polluted by a sensor issue.
I will publish the results though - although I don't think that the Sony community will like this.
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this little 1/2(now) member of the sony community prefers facts to fiction and hopefully the report might be a wakeup call for some.... but then again maybe not.....
.....and surely one would buy the 55 for the viewfinder alone (over the pixels) - it must be a classic already
This is a lens testing site though. The results shouldn't be polluted by a sensor issue.
I will publish the results though - although I don't think that the Sony community will like this.
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this little 1/2(now) member of the sony community prefers facts to fiction and hopefully the report might be a wakeup call for some.... but then again maybe not.....
.....and surely one would buy the 55 for the viewfinder alone (over the pixels) - it must be a classic already
waardij
03-10-2012, 01:58 PM
[quote name='Klaus' timestamp='1331359778' post='16519']
This is a lens testing site though. The results shouldn't be polluted by a sensor issue.
I will publish the results though - although I don't think that the Sony community will like this.
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This may be a lens test site, but given the method used, Imatest, the actual test is always of a system. A system containing a lens, usually an AA filter, some other filters, micro lenses etc. And there is a RAW converter. All these things influence the results. Tests where preformed with range finder lenses on the NEX-5. This is not a brilliant combination and the results reflect that. The same lenses will almost certainly give other results on another camera. The NEX-5n seems to be best NEX, with rangefinder lenses. And the difference between the 5n and the 5 is significant.
As example of the influence of the complete sensor system; when I compared results of a Nikon 16-85 on a d7000 and a NEX-5n, the later shows clearly better micro contrast, at least giving the illusion of more detail.
And the Sony CZ24-70 used on a NEX-7,at least my copy, beats any lens/camera combination I have ever seen, including the same lens on a Sony a900. Corner to corner. And completely contrary what other results suggest, the 24-70 is already very good with the lens wide open (in the shorter range of the lens).
It is a pity that Sony did not use the improvements made in the 5n for the 7. But even so, it can still be a brilliant camera. We are so spoiled with great gear nowadays. This little wonder give me better results than I ever got out of my Mamiya RB 67 or my Linhof super Technika (6x7).
This is a lens testing site though. The results shouldn't be polluted by a sensor issue.
I will publish the results though - although I don't think that the Sony community will like this.
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This may be a lens test site, but given the method used, Imatest, the actual test is always of a system. A system containing a lens, usually an AA filter, some other filters, micro lenses etc. And there is a RAW converter. All these things influence the results. Tests where preformed with range finder lenses on the NEX-5. This is not a brilliant combination and the results reflect that. The same lenses will almost certainly give other results on another camera. The NEX-5n seems to be best NEX, with rangefinder lenses. And the difference between the 5n and the 5 is significant.
As example of the influence of the complete sensor system; when I compared results of a Nikon 16-85 on a d7000 and a NEX-5n, the later shows clearly better micro contrast, at least giving the illusion of more detail.
And the Sony CZ24-70 used on a NEX-7,at least my copy, beats any lens/camera combination I have ever seen, including the same lens on a Sony a900. Corner to corner. And completely contrary what other results suggest, the 24-70 is already very good with the lens wide open (in the shorter range of the lens).
It is a pity that Sony did not use the improvements made in the 5n for the 7. But even so, it can still be a brilliant camera. We are so spoiled with great gear nowadays. This little wonder give me better results than I ever got out of my Mamiya RB 67 or my Linhof super Technika (6x7).