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All specs here:

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/porta...f1-2-l-usm


Much bigger and heavier than the EF 85/1.2 L II, way more expensive, still comes with free LoCAs... don't you just love the new mirrorless photography world? Wink

Pardon my bitterness... I'm afraid I am a nostalgic dinosaur that simply fails to see how all these new systems deliver so much improvement.
U did notice the 'slight' difference in performance? ;-)

DSLR version

https://cweb.canon.jp/ef/lineup/standard.../spec.html

RF
https://cweb.canon.jp/eos/rf/lineup/rf85-f12l/spec.html

That is a very different level ...

So yes, u r our T-Rex ( or rather M-Rex ) ;-)
What does that M stand for?
(05-08-2019, 11:02 AM)Brightcolours Wrote: [ -> ]What does that M stand for?

Markus ;-)
It will be the 2nd lens with a "BR" element.
When I saw the picture load to standard size I thought .. looks a little ordinary ....... then I clicked on the +magnify


Wowser those eyes!

Truly incredible........
(05-08-2019, 11:07 AM)Klaus Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-08-2019, 11:02 AM)Brightcolours Wrote: [ -> ]What does that M stand for?

Markus ;-)

Doh... of course!

(05-08-2019, 10:16 AM)mst Wrote: [ -> ]All specs here:

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/porta...f1-2-l-usm


Much bigger and heavier than the EF 85/1.2 L II, way more expensive, still comes with free LoCAs... don't you just love the new mirrorless photography world? Wink

Pardon my bitterness... I'm afraid I am a nostalgic dinosaur that simply fails to see how all these new systems deliver so much improvement.

Saw the same "weird" misunderstandings regarding the RF 50mm f1.2 L USM.
 
That RF lens is bigger and heavier and more expensive than the EF 50mm f1.2 L USM. Yes. 
However... That EF 50mm was an old fashioned design, and higher performing lenses have become larger, heavier and sharper. Compare that RF 50mm f1.2 to modern DSLR counterparts (Sigma 50mm f1.4 Art, Zeiss OTUS 55mm f1.4, Pentax' new 50mm f1.4) and the improvement gets clear. The Canon RF has the same or more elements as these lenses, yet weighs the same or less, and is f1.2 instead of f1.4.

Same goes for this RF 85mm f1.2. It does not weigh much more than the EF 85mm f1.2 (1195 vs 1052 grams), yet has much more complicated design giving it much improved performance (13 elements in 9 groups vs 8 elements in 7 groups).
How does it compare in weight and size with other "modern" designs? 
Canon RF 85mm f1.2 L USM:
1195 grams, 13 elements.
Zeiss ZE OTUS 85mm f1.4:
1200 grams, 11 elements.
Sigma 85mm f1.4 ART:
1130 grams, 14 elements.
Zeiss ZE Milvus 85mm f1.4:
1280 grams, 11 elements.

So, this f1.2 lens is pretty comparable to the sharpest modern DSLR f1.4 lenses from competitors, while being half a stop faster. There does appear to be an advantage for lens design with these new systems.
I get all your points. And of course I see the improvements, Sony was the first to show what a modern 85mm lens can do, years ago, Sigma and Canon followed with their f/1.4 lenses (Nikon so far unfortunately didn't).

Still: this is a heavy brick. It's not an APO. And it is darn expensive. I find it surprising that so far no one has complained especially about the latter.

This new RF lens costs what I paid for my 200/2 VR (new, admittedly a few years ago). And more than I paid for a (used, but like new) 300/2.8 VR.

The prices for these prime marvels are insane.
Yes, I agree that prices are high. But we tend to compare them with prices of lenses from a decade or more ago, which ignores inflation and such, and the increased complexity of design and precision needed to reach better resolving power. I can't afford lenses like this or the EF 35mm f1.4 L USM II for instance, but I do kinda understand the prices.

PS: don't confuse the full body bridal shot background leafs "blue halo" for LoCA, it is the transition between blue sky overexposed to be white blown out and the dark underexposed leafs. Not LoCA.

It does look quite APO-ish here:
https://cweb.canon.jp/eos/rf/lineup/rf85...-popup.jpg
(05-08-2019, 01:06 PM)Brightcolours Wrote: [ -> ]It does look quite APO-ish here:
https://cweb.canon.jp/eos/rf/lineup/rf85...-popup.jpg

   I think there are times when shallow depth of field doesn't look good .... too shallow here! ..

      makes the jewellery look busy ......... overall it isn't flattering!
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