https://nikonrumors.com/2020/06/15/rumors-tamron-to-make-mirrorless-lenses-for-nikon-z-mount.aspx/
This will be great news for Z camera owners who are looking at a rather blinkered range of S glass at the moment ........ in fact Tamron seem to be the most active in producing new glass, out pacing even Sigma with some pretty exciting lenses .......
...... the 70-180mm F2.8 is a real winner giving only 20mm up at the long end while being sharp and moderately proportioned..... and trying to retake the super-zoom trophy with the 28-200mm .... (as you know)
Speaking of the S mount ....... rumours are circulating about an Z30 budget APSc ML ...... but more importantly a rumoured Z8 or Z9 ......
........ proper vertical grip and twin memory cards ....... correcting the shortcomings of the previous models.
The Z50 has a 20mp sensor and only 2 APS-C lenses (budget zooms) available... How more budget will they want to go? The big mount stops them from going small, so there in can't be the big differentiator.
The Z8 and Z9, with portrait grip integrated? That will slash the big plus for mirrorless (keeping things more compact than DSLRs)...
(06-16-2020, 11:10 AM)Brightcolours Wrote: [ -> ]The Z50 has a 20mp sensor and only 2 APS-C lenses (budget zooms) available... How more budget will they want to go? The big mount stops them from going small, so there in can't be the big differentiator.
The Z8 and Z9, with portrait grip integrated? That will slash the big plus for mirrorless (keeping things more compact than DSLRs)...
They have to compete with the Canon EOS M100/M200/M50, the Sony A6000/A6100, the Fuji X-A7 and X-T200 and various M43 bodies, so it needs to be sub $500. With both Canon and Sony selling $1k Full Frame cameras with lens, you simply can't expect your entry point APS-C mirrorless camera to sell at the same price. At least, not if you want to compete in the long term.
Nikon has lost/will lose (don't know the exact numbers) its #2 position to Sony, and being a company specialised in optics and cameras, it cannot afford to lose market shares. Especially with Panasonic looking very hungry...
I just don't understand where Nikon want to go with their APS-C mirrorless line: given it's the same big mount, what's the point?
If they want to compete in the APS-C arena, they need to release dedicated APS-C lenses, otherwise their half baked effort with completely fail.
If history is an indicator, they won't develop dedicated lenses and will fail miserably... For some reason nobody at HQ seems to understand this simple logic.
To be fair.. at the moment, not only Nikon can't do right, in the eyes of the internet forum-public.
Nikon: a big FF mount, which makes for a big APS-C camera line as afterthought.
Canon: the "bigger" FF flange distance prohibits the APS-C mirrorless lenses to ever work (sensibly) on their FF RF mount. The smaller mount diameter for EF-M means there never can be a RF lens adapter for it, also the much more advanced lens communications for RF would prohibit "backward compatibility".
Sony: their small mount diameter limits lens design freedom somewhat compared to Canon RF and Nikon Z.
Panasonic: like Canon, no compatibility between MTF and FF L-mount what so ever.
Fuji: Their APS-C X-mount is so small that they can't even dream of going the FF route with it, ever. Their cropped MF format has no connection to their APS-C line either.
(06-16-2020, 02:36 PM)Brightcolours Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair.. at the moment, not only Nikon can't do right, in the eyes of the internet forum-public.
Nikon: a big FF mount, which makes for a big APS-C camera line as afterthought.
Canon: the "bigger" FF flange distance prohibits the APS-C mirrorless lenses to ever work (sensibly) on their FF RF mount. The smaller mount diameter for EF-M means there never can be a RF lens adapter for it, also the much more advanced lens communications for RF would prohibit "backward compatibility".
Sony: their small mount diameter limits lens design freedom somewhat compared to Canon RF and Nikon Z.
Panasonic: like Canon, no compatibility between MTF and FF L-mount what so ever.
Fuji: Their APS-C X-mount is so small that they can't even dream of going the FF route with it, ever. Their cropped MF format has no connection to their APS-C line either.
Darwin said it's not the strongest species not even the smartest that will rule, but those capable to adapt, same applies to the changing world of photography.... Nobody wants to be the new Kodak... Yet some are following its footsteps...
(06-16-2020, 07:58 PM)toni-a Wrote: [ -> ] (06-16-2020, 02:36 PM)Brightcolours Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair.. at the moment, not only Nikon can't do right, in the eyes of the internet forum-public.
Nikon: a big FF mount, which makes for a big APS-C camera line as afterthought.
Canon: the "bigger" FF flange distance prohibits the APS-C mirrorless lenses to ever work (sensibly) on their FF RF mount. The smaller mount diameter for EF-M means there never can be a RF lens adapter for it, also the much more advanced lens communications for RF would prohibit "backward compatibility".
Sony: their small mount diameter limits lens design freedom somewhat compared to Canon RF and Nikon Z.
Panasonic: like Canon, no compatibility between MTF and FF L-mount what so ever.
Fuji: Their APS-C X-mount is so small that they can't even dream of going the FF route with it, ever. Their cropped MF format has no connection to their APS-C line either.
Darwin said it's not the strongest species not even the smartest that will rule, but those capable to adapt, same applies to the changing world of photography.... Nobody wants to be the new Kodak... Yet some are following its footsteps...
There's some controversy over whether Darwin wrote that read here:
https://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/people/about-darwin/six-things-darwin-never-said/evolution-misquotation
Maybe it should have been:
It's not the strongest nor the most prolific species that will rule, but those capable of adapting their environment to suit their needs for survival .... which to all intents and purposes "is" the smartest ..... the human being!
Kodak couldn't adapt their environment ........
There is this odd myth going around that Kodak somehow did not adapt (not jump on the digital photography bandwagon). This, indeed, is a myth.
Kodak developed what can be argued is the 1st digital camera together with Chinon and Apple which reached the market in 1994: the Apple Quicktake 100.
Kodak went on to develop DSLRs based on Canon and Nikon SLRs long before Nikon came with the Nikon D1 and Canon came with the D30.
Kodak also was pretty early with their first full frame DSLR, and also tried long and hard with a varied compact digital camera line.
In the end, they were just too expensive (DSLRs), too HP-ish in their product ideas (compact digital cameras) to compete against the Japanese camera makers and simply lost in marketshare.
That of course also can be viewed as not being able to adapt as well as the Japanese companies, but they sure did adapt and transition from film to digital earlier than (most) other photo equipment companies.
I wrote:
Kodak couldn't adapt their environment ....... (like the human being does)
not:
Kodak couldn't adapt "to" their environment!