Opticallimits

does anyone have some experience with them,
and what can one expect IQ-wise and at what budget
I am interested but would not like to buy crap

kr
couplos

Well, it's the question where "good enough" starts, and "crap" begins for you personally.

At the very least you should provide a budget range for the camera and lens.

Personally, I would never start with the camera. Cameras come and go.

in fact i ment something like :

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1...trail.html

kr
couplos

Ah ;-)

No idea