[mst]

Ah, well, there we have it again, two points of view that will never get connected <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



Please don't get too emotional.



The point studor tries to make (rightly so IMO) is that Fred missed a shot because he struggled with a camera's feature. A feature that he, being an experienced photographer, certainly shouldn't need to get a shot.



If this was an important shot he missed, it's a major fail in my eyes (on his side, not Nikon's). If it wasn't, it's not a big deal, right?



There is of course a difference between "fully in focus" and "enough in focus". A camera like the D800 will force you to focus carefully to have the main subject exactly in focus, even when doin landscape work. In a classic landscape shot, you will not manage to have everything in the frame perfectly sharp. Nonetheless, for typical usage, studor's approach will deliver results that a no doubt sharp enough.



Andrew (studor) is a pragmatic guy that doesn't live at the pixel level <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



-- Markus

[Studor13]

OK, so we are all cool and can move on.



As Markus points out there is focus and there is focus.



My 200mm f4 Ai usually locks at infinity but on the D800 it doesn't. Here I would use LV if I really need critical focus.



But on my 16-35 at 16mm anything beyond 3 or 4 meters is already close to infinify so there is no point (for me) to mess about.





Time to go and watch the May day fireworks!

[Guest]

Studor,



I totally get where you're coming from. There is a certain tendency among certain technophiles to put the cart before the horse: i.e. to forget to capture the shot while fiddling around with their camera. Outside of the landscape photography field, it's suprisingly common to find blurred or otherwise technically imperfect photos by the great masters who understood the importance of capturing a moment. In landscape work, good preparation will usually help one avoid the problems faced by Mr Miranda.

And I may be in rare company here, but to me 'important' is a relative term too. If it's $500 dollars for an A2 print important, then fair enough - but for showing a bunch of buddies and my family on a computer screen?





Changing the subject somewhat, I enjoyed a holiday near Lake Bohinj just a few years back - a fantastic part of the world! We camped back then, but now we have kids and would like to find more 'comfortable' accomodation for our holiday this year. Do you have any suggestions for a guest house near Bohinj for this summer?



Regards,

Pinhole

[Fkid]

If you check a dof calculator like this:



http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html



With a circle of confusion of 0,004 mm (just below the D800 pixel size), a 28 mm at f8, focused at 100 m (counting as infinite, I'd say wide angles usually mark in the focusing ring 3 m as far distance before infinity), renders a focused field from 19,7m to infinity. In a 20 mm would be from 11,1 m to infinity.



Theoretically, you couldn't improve focus beyond 19,7 m because already is in focus in a camera with that resolution. So, in a wide landscape with a wide angle, there's not much critical focus here (in my opinion).



Anyway, I guess that post from Fred Miranda was intended as a field's test of that cameras, so I guess is logical he focused checking features even if they weren't absolutely necessary for that picture...



Regards