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[joachim]

Olympus is traditionally very good at leaking details of their forthcoming products <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



In the present situation of them getting some flag for still using the 12mp sensor this makes sense. Prevents people from going GX. Because of mFT being the best and longest established mirror less system you have a fair number of system internal upgraders which one can't say for the other systems which are still trying hard to establish a line of lenses.



On the other hand that one could move Panasonic helps Olymps with the current uncertainties caused by their scandal. Consumers are reasonably sure that thexsystem would not dy anytime soon.

[Guest]

I cant' find the reverence but a couple of months ago olympus announced they were working on mirror less camera with evf (I think at the time the hint was that it would be 4/3 (not micro 4/3) but naturally much smaller than e-3/e-5 and much better view finder than e-620.

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With regards to the 12mp sensor they have been using; while I have no information on the matter I have to believe it is panasonic that has been preventing them from using the newer 16mp sensor; so hopefully the new cameras going forward will use that sensor. Vaguely it seems like everytime panasonic introduces a new sensor there is a period of a year or so where olympus is held back so I woudl speculate there is some agreement to that effect.

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Anyways if this body is 4/3 it creates a bit of an interesting issue. The 4/3 zooms are nicer (faster) thant he u 4/3 (14-55 and 12-60) but all the new primes (45f1.8, 12f2 and 25f1.4) are u4/3. Hum. Perhaps there is too much speculation here and we (I) should wait and see what this new beast really is - though I would find if hard to believe it is not u 4/3 or 4/3. I mean can olympus really afford to bring out a new lens system at this late date ?



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Ok I just read the link; and they are also suggesting it will be the 16 mp sensor. Hum. So basically a gx1 (if u 4/3 and not 4/3) with built in evf (though not as good as nex evf; thread in dpreview suggest it is nearly same quality). I wonder if this will be u4/3 or 4/3. Hum.

[Martin_MM]

For me, it is kind of nostalgic pain to watch Olympus doing the same mistake with the 4/3 format on and on... Yes, it may be successful as a great micro4/3 mirorrless solution but it will never be the no.1 choice of any more demanding (semi)pro - they will pick the full frame instead in most cases. The sad thing is Olympus could do so much with their emphasis on detail and great optics; but who cares for the fabulous f2 lenses when they behave like f4 in terms of depth of field due to the crop factor.... Who cares for the superb and thorough build quality of their semipro bodies when the 4/3 sensor will always be the limiting factor in IQ compared to full frame chips.... God, if they only made the OM-1 with many mechanical controls with full frame chip accompanied by say 24-105/f4, 24/f2, 35/1.4, 85/1.4 and 135/f2 lenses... is the market segment for this really that uninspiring?

[joachim]

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With regards to the 12mp sensor they have been using; while I have no information on the matter I have to believe it is panasonic that has been preventing them from using the newer 16mp sensor; so hopefully the new cameras going forward will use that sensor. Vaguely it seems like everytime panasonic introduces a new sensor there is a period of a year or so where olympus is held back so I woudl speculate there is some

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I was wondering whether IBS is the issue. When the first PEN came out Olympus was very proud to have gotten it that small. I assume the 16 MP sensor needs more infrastructure to get the data off. So they might have needed some time to develop this.



In this context I find Steve Huff's comparison of the GX1 and the E-P3 interesting. He prefers the Oly despite the old sensor.

[Klaus]

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[joachim]

[quote name='Martin_MM' timestamp='1327165321' post='15101']

For me, it is kind of nostalgic pain to watch Olympus doing the same mistake with the 4/3 format on and on... Yes, it may be successful as a great micro4/3 mirorrless solution but it will never be the no.1 choice of any more demanding (semi)pro - they will pick the full frame instead in most cases. The sad thing is Olympus could do so much with their emphasis on detail and great optics; but who cares for the fabulous f2 lenses when they behave like f4 in terms of depth of field due to the crop factor.... Who cares for the superb and thorough build quality of their semipro bodies when the 4/3 sensor will always be the limiting factor in IQ compared to full frame chips.... God, if they only made the OM-1 with many mechanical controls with full frame chip accompanied by say 24-105/f4, 24/f2, 35/1.4, 85/1.4 and 135/f2 lenses... is the market segment for this really that uninspiring?

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You can buy that under the Canon brand. No need for Olympus to do a me too. I let you enjoy your oversized 24-105/4 and continue to enjoy the 12/2 on my PEN <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. I can't get that from Canon.



For the Ultimate in shallow DOF a 8x10 view camera and an Epson V750 scanner are still unbeaten. Most likely also cheaper than the FF-DSLR.

[popo]

[quote name='Martin_MM' timestamp='1327165321' post='15101']

For me, it is kind of nostalgic pain to watch Olympus doing the same mistake with the 4/3 format on and on... Yes, it may be successful as a great micro4/3 mirorrless solution but it will never be the no.1 choice of any more demanding (semi)pro - they will pick the full frame instead in most cases...

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m4/3 is very different in market strategy than 4/3 though. With 4/3, that was more of the same that everyone else was already doing, but with more limitations. m4/3 is attacking a different market area. They may lose a few sales from those who really need full frame, but it isn't significant as they're going for the bigger volume mainstream market. I think full frame is simply too niche that Oly can easily afford not to be in it this time around. Any company who will go for full frame mirrorless isn't going to sell it cheaply. It will remain a niche regardless.

[Sylvain]

[quote name='you2' timestamp='1327164401' post='15099']

Ok I just read the link; and they are also suggesting it will be the 16 mp sensor. Hum. So basically a gx1 (if u 4/3 and not 4/3) with built in evf (though not as good as nex evf; thread in dpreview suggest it is nearly same quality). I wonder if this will be u4/3 or 4/3. Hum.

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I think the rumours have converged towards a m43 product and that leaked image & first "specs" seem to show a body which proportions are more or less E-PX like -that is, unlikely to balance well with legacy lenses. An indication might be the new m43 12-50mm lens being a new weather sealed companion to a new weather sealed body.



I'm afraid Olympus has unplugged from 43 products despite their official talk and the latest scandal might give them a very good excuse to make such an announcement soon.



As for "basically a gx1 with evf", I think it's neglecting quite a few things : for instance tilt screen & IB-IS. But well, rumoured specs I concede :-).



I'm curious to see how far they'll go with their video specs. The new kit lens having a motorized zoom, is this camera going to venture in GHx territory, even only slightly?