[miro]

My goals are

1. keep it as simple as possible but not simpler.

2. easy support and maintenance.

3. Minimize use of different platforms while keeping or easily migrate my current solutions. E.g

- I have huge JALBUM photo albums.

- Joomla seems to be my best match for Blog but it is not so good for portfolio presentation.



I’ve made the following decisions.

1. Since 70% of the clients used web browsers that doesn't support color management profiles I'll go for sRGB.

2.For my portfolio I'll do resizing and sharpening in Photoshop manually. Later on in PS action but I'll never go for fully automated stuff. Producing good image in certain size is creative process that cannot be automated for now. On top of it I produce maximum 5 images /yaar that can be published in my portfolio.



Greetings,

Miro



Thanks for all comments helps and support

[wim]

Hi Sylvain,

[quote name='Sylvain' date='23 July 2010 - 01:37 PM' timestamp='1279885046' post='1251']

Wim, first, plus one to you again, nice resource links ! [/quote]

Thank you! Having done the research, I 'd thought I share. With a bit of luck it'll save someone some time <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.

I'll have to check them out!



On colour management.I don't really see your point in your reply. It has nothing to do with applications messing with your images, resizing them or whatever, but rather that the flash renderer will by default not know about your profile needs and will display pictures with what often results in overly saturated reds. But the picture itself remains intact. This is something SlideshowPro might also been affected with AFAIK.

I find that SSP actually displays my images the same way on all my (calibrated) monitors. The thing that bugged me most with many gallery applications or add-ons, that shared a good representation of the colour gamut of a picture, is that the sharpening was way off. Either too much or too little, making stuff look oversharpened or very soft. With SSP you can control that very easily, IME. You either tell it exactly how much sharpening you want, or you replace the images it creates with your own. Since I like to control exactly how much sharpening to use, and any other form of PP, I prefer the latter, and unlike many other galleries/portfolio apps and add-ons, it will display them in that case as is.



Anybody wanting to try another that does that, for free, is Deziner Folio Gallery. Just that I personally don't like the style of the layout, especially the dark grey background, and some of the small bugs in the admin panel. However, it does work very well, and is as fast as SSP. Essentially, SSP gives you more control.



SSP is an add-on specifically created for photographers, and from their forum it looks like many use it without doing very much to it anyway. I am fortunate enough to have relevant IT-experience, so I can develop around the tool, which is exactly why I got it in the first place, and of all the cheaper tools I tried so far ($0 to $50 category), this is the best. Better than many where you pay even more. I actually even got so far to I got their ThumbGrid and Director tools, basically because SSP is so good, although I still haven't used the latter yet - no need, as I am perfectly capable of managing my own site anyway <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.

[url="http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flash/quickstart/color_correction_as3/"]http://www.adobe.com...correction_as3/[/url]

Well, for web publishing I use sRGB. You don't have control over how a monitor used to view pictures is profiled or calibrated, so that's the best one can do. My pictures look fine on most monitors, but especially so on calibrated ones, is my experience.

On Flash, I think the general misconception comes from its early life when it was mainly seen as a SFX language. So any pages made with flash would feature "funky" effects that have been used ad nauseam. It is also true that still too many photographers force you through unnecessary "funkiness".

But you can also do simple things with Flash, nobody put a gun to your head.Just look at Wim's suggested SlideShowPro, they have a "demo" of a very minimalistic mode : just the picture, and two click zones.

Yes, and between that and complicated stuff, the possibilities are endless. I use it embedded, currently, including the main gallery page. There seems to be little speed difference between local use and remote use (via the internet).

I think that, beyond the discussion about who's locking who into what ("open" vs "closed" standards, true W3C technologies, Apple compatible, battery drain...etc...), Flash/Flex has now evolved into a rich and clean web framework and I can imagine the benefits on architecture & maintenance. (YES, there are other powerful languages)



Just my two €cents...

Which ones? Javascript? Ajax? HTML? PHP? And which provide good simple options for photo portfolios and galleries, while keeping control over your own pictures?



I think that you'll find that often it is a mishmash of the above. Personally, I find that for my needs, so far, embedded Flash works very well indeed. And because it is embedded, I can still uses anything else for other needs, if so required.



From my experience PHP is more complex to program, I think, and not extremely safe, Javascript isn't safe either, and HTML even less. Ajax to me is really an extension, although some will probably disagree <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. It's still under development anyway <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. Hence Flash to me was the natural way to go, for now. In a few years time that may change again, but so far I am quite happy with it.



My next project is to embed this in Joomla in a way that is user friendly, and works. I have tried most of the available flash embedding tools for Joomla, and so far they don't work, work only partly or are extremely difficult to get to work. Of course, that may just reflect my level (read: lack of) of experience in this field <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.



Kind regards, Wim

[wim]

Hi Miro,

[quote name='miro' date='23 July 2010 - 02:32 PM' timestamp='1279888362' post='1253']

My goals are

1. keep it as simple as possible but not simpler.

2. easy support and maintenance. [/quote]

Exactly my goals too, although my definition of simple obviously may be different to yours <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.

3. Minimize use of different platforms while keeping or easily migrate my current solutions. E.g

- I have huge JALBUM photo albums.

- Joomla seems to be my best match for Blog but it is not so good for portfolio presentation.

Again, I agree, just that I don't have any huge internet photo albums anywhere on the net, and deliberately so.



Joomla can actually be used effectively for portfolio presentation, but currently that requires quite a bit extra effort. I am looking how to integrate SSP with it right now, but other options do exist. Rokin Gallery is quite a good option, actually, and it is free (donation ware), just a pain to get working at first, as there aren't any good manuals for it. Many possibilities, however.

I’ve made the following decisions.

1. Since 70% of the clients used web browsers that doesn't support color management profiles I'll go for sRGB.

2.For my portfolio I'll do resizing and sharpening in Photoshop manually. Later on in PS action but I'll never go for fully automated stuff. Producing good image in certain size is creative process that cannot be automated for now. On top of it I produce maximum 5 images /yaar that can be published in my portfolio.



Greetings,

Miro



Thanks for all comments helps and support

I completely agree with your choices here. I do exactly the same <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.



Kind regards, Wim

[Sylvain]

[quote name='wim' date='23 July 2010 - 02:36 PM' timestamp='1279888617' post='1254']



Which ones? Javascript? Ajax? HTML? PHP? And which provide good simple options for photo portfolios and galleries, while keeping control over your own pictures?

[/quote]



from the top of my head JavaFX, Silverlight, probably others... But you have to code everything yourself <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



[quote name='wim' date='23 July 2010 - 02:36 PM' timestamp='1279888617' post='1254']

From my experience PHP is more complex to program, I think, and not extremely safe, Javascript isn't safe either, and HTML even less. Ajax to me is really an extension, although some will probably disagree <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.

[/quote]



Ajax is not an extension nor is it a language, it is a conjunction of technologies.

I'll play around with SSP <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

Thanks,



Sylvain

[Sylvain]

[quote name='miro' date='23 July 2010 - 02:32 PM' timestamp='1279888362' post='1253']



I’ve made the following decisions.

1. Since 70% of the clients used web browsers that doesn't support color management profiles I'll go for sRGB.

Greetings,

Miro

[/quote]



Hmm risking to sound like a broken record... wanted to clarify further my situation and remark about flash renderers.

My monitor is a HP LP475w said to cover 100% AdobeRGB.

My pictures are sRGB too but when rendered on my monitor without calibration, colours get "out of check" and issues arise. But my monitor is calibrated using a spyder3pro.

After calibration, firefox base engine (gfx.color_management.mode set accordingly) will render pictures fine, taking my calibration into account. But my free flash renderer gallery, doesn't know about the profile and render them out of calibration.



I'm just saying there that even though you have chosen sRGB, keep in mind that your application of choice might not render properly on your customers with large gamut monitors.

[wim]

[quote name='Sylvain' date='23 July 2010 - 04:20 PM' timestamp='1279894832' post='1257']

from the top of my head JavaFX, Silverlight, probably others... But you have to code everything yourself <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />







Ajax is not an extension nor is it a language, it is a conjunction of technologies.

I'll play around with SSP <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

Thanks,



Sylvain

[/quote]

<img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



I was afraid I had to code everythng myself. And I knew I would get corrected on Ajax <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. But hey, to me it is an extension of other stuff <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



Playing with SSP is for free fortunately, as they do have a free trial option.



Kind regards, Wim

[wim]

Hi Sylvain,



I hope you don't mind me askign a differen tquestion here, but since I got an LP2475 an returned it after two days,.... <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[quote name='Sylvain' date='23 July 2010 - 04:33 PM' timestamp='1279895629' post='1258']

Hmm risking to sound like a broken record... wanted to clarify further my situation and remark about flash renderers.

My monitor is a HP LP475w said to cover 100% AdobeRGB.[/quote]

Exactly what I got, for a short while at least, also because of the very favourable reviews.



However, I noticed a rather conspicuous, to me anyway, colour shift from the left to the right, from light cyan to light magenta. I first thought it was me, and tried to calibrate it away, but then I found that there are specimens out there that do show a colour shift similar to this, and returned the thing.



My question now is, when you searched for a good 24-inch or larger monitor, which ones did get onto your shortlist?



Personally I am now looking at the NEC 2490 WUXi2 and 2690 WUXi2, and the Dell 2410 and 2711B, where the larger ones are really stretching my budget, however.



Did you come across any other good options, for your budget?

My pictures are sRGB too but when rendered on my monitor without calibration, colours get "out of check" and issues arise. But my monitor is calibrated using a spyder3pro.

I use a Spyder3Pro too. You may want to look at the software from Integrated Color Corp., Color Eyes Display Pro, for calibration: [url="http://www.integrated-color.com/"]http://www.integrated-color.com/[/url].



It gets better results actually, so worth a try (10 days fro free).

After calibration, firefox base engine (gfx.color_management.mode set accordingly) will render pictures fine, taking my calibration into account. But my free flash renderer gallery, doesn't know about the profile and render them out of calibration.



I'm just saying there that even though you have chosen sRGB, keep in mind that your application of choice might not render properly on your customers with large gamut monitors.

Indeed, not when they are not using calibrated monitors themselves with the appropriate profiles for those applications.



Kind regards, Wim

[Sylvain]

However, I noticed a rather conspicuous, to me anyway, colour shift from the left to the right, from light cyan to light magenta. I first thought it was me, and tried to calibrate it away, but then I found that there are specimens out there that do show a colour shift similar to this, and returned the thing.

you mean from left to right of the gamut spectrum or the actual screen? Mine and my friend's luckily seem even. We never looked back! On top of that, the screen is remarkably well equipped and pleasant to use.

My question now is, when you searched for a good 24-inch or larger monitor, which ones did get onto your shortlist?

Hmm it was some time ago so I couldn't be very accurate I'm afraid ! I know for sure I only looked at 24" panels. I think I must have considered a Dell or two and a few Eizo but the HP just came out of nowhere and was about exactly for what I wanted. My budget was to stay between 500-1000€ so I felt lucky with the 600€ paid for the HP.

In any event, I wouldn't base any buying decision on a year old shortlist <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. Not with the shift to LED backlit panels we have witnessed last year, supposedly improving contrast & gamut. I think Eizo or NEC (I'm looking for it) released a rather interesting specimen a month ago at an affordable price.

I use a Spyder3Pro too. You may want to look at the software from Integrated Color Corp., Color Eyes Display Pro, for calibration: [url="http://www.integrated-color.com/"]http://www.integrated-color.com/[/url].

I will give it a try ! thanks !



PS.: is there anyway to reply inline of someone's post without having to add quoting tags everywhere?

[wim]

Hi Sylvain,

[quote name='Sylvain' date='23 July 2010 - 06:05 PM' timestamp='1279901115' post='1262']

you mean from left to right of the gamut spectrum or the actual screen? [/quote]

The actual screen. It looks like there was a flaw with a certain series of panels for the LP2475, and other than that it seems to happen every so often even with good panels, straight out of the box, mind you. Of course I am always the person to get the short straw when it comes to these things <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.

Mine and my friend's luckily seem even. We never looked back! On top of that, the screen is remarkably well equipped and pleasant to use.

Unfortunately I now have lost confidence in HP, which was already shaky due to my experience with HP printers.

Hmm it was some time ago so I couldn't be very accurate I'm afraid ! I know for sure I only looked at 24" panels. I think I must have considered a Dell or two and a few Eizo but the HP just came out of nowhere and was about exactly for what I wanted. My budget was to stay between 500-1000€ so I felt lucky with the 600€ paid for the HP.

One of the reaons I looked at it <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.

In any event, I wouldn't base any buying decision on a year old shortlist <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. Not with the shift to LED backlit panels we have witnessed last year, supposedly improving contrast & gamut. I think Eizo or NEC (I'm looking for it) released a rather interesting specimen a month ago at an affordable price.

From all I have read, led backlit panels are not up to scratch yet when it comes to colour evenness, and even calibration doesn't help completely, so for now I will stay away from led backlit panels. The problem is that leds don't support the whole colour spectrum very evenly yet.



Anyway, thank you for your trouble! It does look like my shortlist will stay the same in that case <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. I don't have enough space for a bigger monitor (neither do I have the budget), so it will probably be one of those in the end.

I will give it a try ! thanks !

It's a pleasure!

PS.: is there anyway to reply inline of someone's post without having to add quoting tags everywhere?

No, not with any forum software, AFAIK. What I do, is copy the botton end quote tag, and copy that in twice where I want to reply, and take away the slash from the second one, then type between the two tags. Something I have been doing for years now <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.



Actually, it is good that PZ only allows for single quotes, eliminating any of the previous ones. It gets really hairy with multiple inline quotes to get it right <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.



Kind regards, Wim

[AnnaPye]

A new comer in this subject: PageYourself

It’s a Facebook site / page creator for photographers. It works with modules you chose, to help your work being discovered (to get more fans I guess), and being exposed professionally.

You can also design and customize it, even if you’re not a geek nor a designer…

It’s apparently in beta test for now, registration are open here : [url="http://www.pageyourself.com "]http://www.pageyourself.com [/url]