[quote name='Vieux loup' timestamp='1282748150' post='2157']
Can one say the same about Canon , Sigma and Tamron lenses? I seem to hear comments about Nikon being better protected in general! Not that I am likely to stand out in pouring rain for any amount of time, but I am in this envious position of being able to choose completely freely (even if that sometimes is not so easy <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' /> )and therefore I feel like I need to be as well informed as I can.
Another question, Nikon France has a very well organised set of courses on the various aspects of photography. I have not been able to find anything similar organized by Canon? Do you know of anything?
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From my experience it is the same with most Canon lenses. Obviously, almost all Ls are weather sealed, although some require a filter to be mounted for complete protection, but even the other lenses generally do ok. Just don't soak them in water, and do wipe then dry.
I've never had the opportunity to stand in a light or other rain with Tamron or Sigma lenses, but Tokina lenses are fine IME, with the same treatment.
As to courses: to my knowledge Canon only offers the € 25 beginners course (€ 125 discount) with selected cameras. This offer was extended recently till February next year, AFAIK. However, there are plenty of other courses available, for relatively little money. I tmay be worthwhile asking your local retailer if he knows any. My local dealer actually happens to have a conference room available which is used for such courses (he doesn't charge anything for the room, the participants just pay a course fee to the lecturer). There is a beginners course (12 evening sessions plus assignments), and an advanced course, similar set-up.
Kind regards, Wim
Gear: Canon EOS R with 3 primes and 2 zooms, 4 EF-R adapters, Canon EOS 5 (analog), 9 Canon EF primes, a lone Canon EF zoom, 2 extenders, 2 converters, tubes; Olympus OM-D 1 Mk II & Pen F with 12 primes, 6 zooms, and 3 Metabones EF-MFT adapters ....
[quote name='Vieux loup' timestamp='1282646184' post='2099']
There is no doubt that I would buy the D3x if I could justify spending that much money.[/quote]
Just to clarifiy: I surely wouldn't own a D3x if it wasn't for the reviews. For normal (amateur, not professional) use, the camera is no doubt overkill. And of course overprized.
[quote name='Vieux loup' timestamp='1282646184' post='2099'] I will probably go with the 7D or the D300S. Is there any particular reason in your opinion why I should take one or the other?[/quote]
No. At least not one that hasn't been mentioned already <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' />
[quote name='Vieux loup' timestamp='1282646184' post='2099']
I can't help feeling that Canon is more marketing driven and Nikon more engineering driven.[/quote]
Well, you could argue about that endlessly, I guess <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' /> It was my experience, coming from the 1D Mark II to the D300, that Nikon was probably a bit more oriented to usability or maybe ergonimcs designed BY actual photographers, not just FOR photographers. At first sight, a Nikon seems a bit more complicated, but many things actually make sense once you've learned them and used them in the field.
But note that this is my opinion and impression, which is just valid for me personally. Especially ergonomics is a highly subjective topic, you already read that wim prefers the Canon way. In addition, my experience is from a few years ago. Lots of things have changed or been improved since then, in both systems. For example: I liked the idea of independent AF modes for each camera orientation in the 7D (see seperate thread started by Yakim). Very goos idea, certainly could use that feature occasionally, too <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' />
Whatever system you choose: don't look back. Try to learn your gear and explore its limits.
You know the Chinese saying "the glass is always cleaner on the other side"? <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' /> There will always be something the competition offers, but your gear does not. The key to being happy with your gear is not to worry about it too much.
[quote name='Vieux loup' timestamp='1282646184' post='2099'] I am going away for 2 weeks on the 8th of August and I want the new camera for that trip. Kind regards vieux loup
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One last advice: make sure you have enough time to get used to your new gear, and also, if digital is new to you, the digital workflow.
-- Markus
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[quote name='Vieux loup' timestamp='1282748150' post='2157']
I seem to hear comments about Nikon being better protected in general![/quote]
This is a myth, IMO. And I'm sure it's based on the simple fact that Nikon puts a rubber seal ring on the mount of any new lenses, including plastic kit lenses. That doesn't say anything about lens sealing at all, only that the lens mount is covered.
[quote name='Vieux loup' timestamp='1282748150' post='2157']
Another question, Nikon France has a very well organised set of courses on the various aspects of photography. I have not been able to find anything similar organized by Canon? Do you know of anything?
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From my experience, one of the best sources of information are other shutterbugs. Try to find some other photographers in your area, meet regularly, learn and explore together.
-- Markus
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Thank you Markus again, for your photo and philosophy advice <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' /> I will try to keep it in mind. You are right, and I have said so myself, that I am at a stage where a decision has to be made. I will in fact buy a body with one very good lens and take it from there. Whether that will be a prime or a zoom I don't know, but I want to learn the camera completely with one lens and then it will be obvious what I need as I go. I actually think that I will not buy the most expensive body I can afford, because I am convinced that a lot is in store on the Nikon side. The D3100 is good enough proof and I bet that both the D700 and the D300s will be upgraded with somewhat better video and bigger sensors in MP count. I will then keep the body that I buy now as a back up. I think the same can be said for the 5d MKII. As I am writing this, the announcement about the new 60d appear on DPR, so farewell, I have to see what it is.
Anyways.... action, no more talk <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
As long as you tell us what you decided on, and why. I 'd really like to know now <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />.
And that 60D does look darn good, actually <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />. However, it should have been FF iMO <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />. <GDR>
Kind regards, Wim <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
Gear: Canon EOS R with 3 primes and 2 zooms, 4 EF-R adapters, Canon EOS 5 (analog), 9 Canon EF primes, a lone Canon EF zoom, 2 extenders, 2 converters, tubes; Olympus OM-D 1 Mk II & Pen F with 12 primes, 6 zooms, and 3 Metabones EF-MFT adapters ....
[quote name='wim' timestamp='1282827478' post='2214']
As long as you tell us what you decided on, and why. I 'd really like to know now <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />.
And that 60D does look darn good, actually <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />. However, it should have been FF iMO <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />. <GDR>
Kind regards, Wim <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
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Yes, that 60D DOES look darn good.
I never considered a 20D (350D) or 450D (450D) because of size. Now they shrunk that line!
And with a swivel LCD that actually makes sense (3" and side swivel, not that silly Nikon bottom hinged thing of the D5000 or the limited movements of the Sony's), it gets to be a might interesting camera for my photography.
And then there is that new 70-300 L... expensive, yes. Super sharp, apparently so. And contrasty.
Only downside I can see for that lens is the focus breathing (gives the same magnification at 1.2m to my 70-200mm f4 L USM), I would have liked it to give more magnification. But other than that... wow, this lens will find its way into my camera bag somewhere in future.
[quote name='Brightcolours' timestamp='1282827871' post='2216']
Yes, that 60D DOES look darn good.
I never considered a 20D (350D) or 450D (450D) because of size. Now they shrunk that line!
And with a swivel LCD that actually makes sense (3" and side swivel, not that silly Nikon bottom hinged thing of the D5000 or the limited movements of the Sony's), it gets to be a might interesting camera for my photography.
And then there is that new 70-300 L... expensive, yes. Super sharp, apparently so. And contrasty.
Only downside I can see for that lens is the focus breathing (gives the same magnification at 1.2m to my 70-200mm f4 L USM), I would have liked it to give more magnification. But other than that... wow, this lens will find its way into my camera bag somewhere in future.
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<img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
I would love a small size dslr with FF sensor of 20 MP or more, similar to the xx0D bodies in size, even if only with a single AF-point, provided it is a cross-sensor wide aperture type point, and if it has a swivel LCD that would only be a nice bonus. It must have micro AF adjustment, and interchangeable focusing screens, however.
As to the 70-300: interesting lens, but it is the wrong colour <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />, and I prefer a 100-400 pump-action lens. Now, if they would update that with the latest IS version, I would be really happy, although any optical tweaks would be appreciated too <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />.
Kind regards, Wim
Gear: Canon EOS R with 3 primes and 2 zooms, 4 EF-R adapters, Canon EOS 5 (analog), 9 Canon EF primes, a lone Canon EF zoom, 2 extenders, 2 converters, tubes; Olympus OM-D 1 Mk II & Pen F with 12 primes, 6 zooms, and 3 Metabones EF-MFT adapters ....
[quote name='mst' timestamp='1282812927' post='2193']
Just to clarifiy: I surely wouldn't own a D3x if it wasn't for the reviews. For normal (amateur, not professional) use, the camera is no doubt overkill. And of course overprized.
No. At least not one that hasn't been mentioned already <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
Well, you could argue about that endlessly, I guess <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' /> It was my experience, coming from the 1D Mark II to the D300, that Nikon was probably a bit more oriented to usability or maybe ergonimcs designed BY actual photographers, not just FOR photographers. At first sight, a Nikon seems a bit more complicated, but many things actually make sense once you've learned them and used them in the field.
But note that this is my opinion and impression, which is just valid for me personally. Especially ergonomics is a highly subjective topic, you already read that wim prefers the Canon way. In addition, my experience is from a few years ago. Lots of things have changed or been improved since then, in both systems. For example: I liked the idea of independent AF modes for each camera orientation in the 7D (see seperate thread started by Yakim). Very goos idea, certainly could use that feature occasionally, too <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
Whatever system you choose: don't look back. Try to learn your gear and explore its limits.
You know the Chinese saying "the glass is always cleaner on the other side"? <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' /> There will always be something the competition offers, but your gear does not. The key to being happy with your gear is not to worry about it too much.
One last advice: make sure you have enough time to get used to your new gear, and also, if digital is new to you, the digital workflow.
-- Markus
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'll have plenty of time to get used to my gear and I'll take the time and one of the things I am wondering is of course how to approach what you call the digital work flow! Apart from the manual, which I am sure is long and heavy <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' /> , is there good information in the manual on how to get started simply, and then progress? Frankly, I am not worried about the photography part, but the adjustment part before you get there concerns me <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' />
"Yes, that 60D DOES look darn good."
...and it looks almost identical with 7D, even price is nearly the same. The only difference I can see is that 7D is slightly faster and 60D has better screen. So which one now? :-)
[quote name='Lomskij' timestamp='1282837374' post='2226']
"Yes, that 60D DOES look darn good."
...and it looks almost identical with 7D, even price is nearly the same. The only difference I can see is that 7D is slightly faster and 60D has better screen. So which one now? :-)
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The 7D also has more focus points and larger viewfinder coverage (which is apparently a debatable advantage). Plus it's more solid and weathersealed. But let's see what the actual price of the 60D becomes before we judge too much.
-Lars
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