[quote name='boren' timestamp='1284535176' post='2775']
Klaus, why do you consider the K-5 to be superior to the D7000? Other than a couple of extra fps and the in-body IS, it seems to be on-par with the Nikon or even trailing (AF points, metering), while costing $400 more.
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It's smaller & more rugged. Body-side IS as you mentioned. And more important than anything else - Pentax has a complete dedicated APS-C lens lineup. Nikon has merely isolated solutions here specifically regarding primes.
As for the rest - these are minor differences. Regarding the sheer specs there're also few differences towards a 60D so why would you choose a D7000 over a 60D ? The mid-to-upper class DSLRs are all darn close spec-wise.
[quote name='Klaus' timestamp='1284537158' post='2780']
It's smaller & more rugged. Body-side IS as you mentioned. And more important than anything else - Pentax has a complete dedicated APS-C lens lineup. Nikon has merely isolated solutions here specifically regarding primes.
As for the rest - these are minor differences. Regarding the sheer specs there're also few differences towards a 60D so why would you choose a D7000 over a 60D ? The mid-to-upper class DSLRs are all darn close spec-wise.
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I agree, they are all very close, especially now that the K-7 got its very needed upgrade.
Size wise they are all close too, and yes, the Pentax is the most compact.
What I do not like about Pentax, though, is the in-body IS in place of in-lens IS. Plus side: all lenses get IS. Minus side: its IS is not as capable. Says me with no IS- lens <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' />.
09-15-2010, 08:12 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-15-2010, 08:13 AM by boren.)
Klaus, the D7000 is smaller than the D90 and not that much larger than the K-7. The body is magnesium alloy and is weather sealed. How much better can the K-5 be in these aspects?
What APS-C lenses do you think the target market is looking for that only Pentax offers? If you refer to weather seals, then this advantage only applied to the two WR kit lenses. In the upper class both Nikon and Pentax offer weather sealed lenses (e.g. Pentax 16-50/2.8 and Nikon 17-55/2.8). The Limited primes are not sealed.
In-body IS seems to be the only killer feature, but I doubt many are going to be willing to pay an additional $500 for, especially when the major review sites try to downplay it for some reason (i.e. you'll never see lack of in-body IS in the list of cons of a Nikon or Canon DSLR's).
[quote name='boren' timestamp='1284538373' post='2784']
Klaus, the D7000 is smaller than the D90 and not that much larger than the K-7. The body is magnesium alloy and is weather sealed. How much better can the K-5 be in these aspects?
What APS-C lenses do you think the target market is looking for that only Pentax offers? If you refer to weather seals, then this advantage only applied to the two WR kit lenses. In the upper class both Nikon and Pentax offer weather sealed lenses (e.g. Pentax 16-50/2.8 and Nikon 17-55/2.8). The Limited primes are not sealed.
In-body IS seems to be the only killer feature, but I doubt many are going to be willing to pay an additional $500 for, especially when the major review sites try to downplay it for some reason (i.e. you'll never see lack of in-body IS in the list of cons of a Nikon or Canon DSLR's).
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The Pentax K-5 appears to be priced at €1399, so that is a 200 euro difference.
Different rumors, different prices. Some rumors report "$1699 US Body Only", which is one buck short of $500. Hopefully there won't be any difference between the prices of the K-5 and the D7000, because even 200 Euro is going to be more than most people would be willing to pay. Pentax would be shooting themselves in the foot if they repeat the E-5 pricing mistake.
[quote name='boren' timestamp='1284538373' post='2784']
Klaus, the D7000 is smaller than the D90 and not that much larger than the K-7.
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Actually, the D7000 is a tiny fraction larger than the D90. However, it's just 2mm, so in practice they can certainly be considered same size.
It's a matter of priorites what to choose, I guess. I personally prefer lens IS over in-body IS, but I'm more of a tele guy and really appreciate a stable viewfinder image.
I certainly would choose the D7000 over a 60D because of it's more pro-like feature set, especially AF. If I was shooting Canon today, the 7D would still be the camera I'd probably own.
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[quote name='boren' timestamp='1284538373' post='2784']
Klaus, the D7000 is smaller than the D90 and not that much larger than the K-7. The body is magnesium alloy and is weather sealed. How much better can the K-5 be in these aspects?
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The D7000 has "magnesium-alloy top and rear cover". The K-5/7 has also front and bottom plates made of metal. It is also likely that it has more seals.
The K-5/7 is a D300 class body, the D7000 is an upgraded D90 or downgraded D300, whatever you wish.
[quote name='boren' timestamp='1284538373' post='2784']
What APS-C lenses do you think the target market is looking for that only Pentax offers? If you refer to weather seals, then this advantage only applied to the two WR kit lenses. In the upper class both Nikon and Pentax offer weather sealed lenses (e.g. Pentax 16-50/2.8 and Nikon 17-55/2.8). The Limited primes are not sealed.
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Well, I think this one is fairly obvious. Pentax is basically the only manufacturer offering APS-C pancakes. If you want to stay small with primes there's no way around Pentax. The Pentax 60-250 is also unique. There're more. THis is basically the advantage of a dedicated APS-C lineup and not some sort of mix.
[quote name='boren' timestamp='1284538373' post='2784']
In-body IS seems to be the only killer feature, but I doubt many are going to be willing to pay an additional $500 for, especially when the major review sites try to downplay it for some reason (i.e. you'll never see lack of in-body IS in the list of cons of a Nikon or Canon DSLR's).
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Sorry, that's a lame excuse. Technically there's no reason why you should prefer an 7D over and 60D and a 60D over a 550D. The capabilities are all extremely close. 99% of the users would be happy with the 550D. The rest is owner pride.
[quote name='mst' timestamp='1284546334' post='2791']
Actually, the D7000 is a tiny fraction larger than the D90. However, it's just 2mm, so in practice they can certainly be considered same size.
It's a matter of priorites what to choose, I guess. I personally prefer lens IS over in-body IS, but I'm more of a tele guy and really appreciate a stable viewfinder image.
I certainly would choose the D7000 over a 60D because of it's more pro-like feature set, especially AF. If I was shooting Canon today, the 7D would still be the camera I'd probably own.
-- Markus
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The D7000 looks to be a very nice camera. Personally I would choose a 60D over a D7000, because of its ease of use (in my view better thought out user interface, both hardware and software, in most areas), the swivel LCD and Canon lens line up.
I prefer the 60D over the 7D, because of the reduced size. Personally I do not care much about more AF points, Canon and Nikon both are good in AF speed and tracking.
The point I do like about the D7000 over the 60D is the 100% view finder.
I think that all DSLRs introduced these days are rather impressive (D7000, 60D, K5 to be introduced yet, E5).
09-15-2010, 11:10 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-15-2010, 11:12 AM by Brightcolours.)
[quote name='Klaus' timestamp='1284547099' post='2792']
Well, I think this one is fairly obvious. Pentax is basically the only manufacturer offering APS-C pancakes. If you want to stay small with primes there's no way around Pentax. The Pentax 60-250 is also unique. There're more. THis is basically the advantage of a dedicated APS-C lineup and not some sort of mix.
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I agree on the APS-C pancakes. Not that they are APS-C (it will not make much of a difference if they are FF, not in size, not in weight), but that they are pancakes.
Of course, for Nikon and Canon there are the Voigtlander 20 and 40mm pancakes, but they lack the AF the Pentax lenses offer.
About the uniqueness of the Pentax 60-250mm f4 lens... It is not as unique as one might like.
Is it unique in its focal lengths? Not exactly, there are the Canon 55-250mm and Nikon 55-300mm APS-C lenses. Those are f4-5.6 lenses, yes. And in the long end they don't quite reach the same performance.
But they are way cheaper and lighter.
But, with weather sealing and build quality, it sort of looks unique. However, the Canon EF 70-200mm f4 L IS USM lens comes remarkably close in concept... but it is a full frame lens.
On APS-C the Canon reaches a 320mm equivalent, where the Pentax reaches 375mm. That is at infinity. But how is that at MFD?
There the Canon has the longer focal length.
Where the Pentax reaches 1:6.7 at 1.1 meters (MFD), the Canon reaches 1:4.8 at 1.2 meters (MFD).
So it is a draw. Where at infinity the Pentax probably has a small edge in tele reach, the Canon makes up for it at closer than infinity ranges.
Weight? The Pentax weighs1040g, the Canon weighs 760g.
Size? Pentax: 82x168mm. Canon: 76x172mm. And the Pentax extends a lot while zooming.
IQ? Both are very good.
Price? I think the Canon actually costs a bit less.
So all in all, I do not see the uniqueness of the Pentax 60-250mm f4. It being APS-C only does not bring advantages (it still is bigger and heavier), and its focal range is totally comparable to that of the Canon 70-200mm f4 L IS USM.
Or maybe one could call both the Canon and the Pentax unique, compared to the other brands.
The C70-200/4 is hardly comparable to the P60-250/4. If so you may also argue that it makes sense to compare it to the Sigma 100-300/4 which has almost the double weight. A reasonable comparison may be the 70-300L which is just as heavy - actually slightly heavier if you don't count the tripod mount of the P lens.
As far as the 55-250IS and 55-300VR is concerned - the valid counterpart is, of course, not the P60-250mm but the P55-300mm which sits in between the C and N lens.
There're a number of Pentax lenses which are not offered by the others.
50-135/2.8
10-17 Fisheye
17-70/4
And, of course, all the DA and DA* primes.
I think there's absolutely no doubt that Pentax has, by far, the best APS-C lineup out there. It's not even a close call. Full format lenses on APS-C DSLRs are always a compromise - at least in terms of size/weight.
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