[Klaus]

[url="http://photoscala.de/Artikel/photokina-2010-Drei-Tilt-Shift-Objektive-von-Schneider-Kreuznach"]http://photoscala.de...eider-Kreuznach[/url]

(articles in German)





not exactly cheap though:



[size="2"]PC-TS Super-Angulon 2,8/50 mm HM[/size]

[size="2"]~2.800,00 €[/size]



[size="2"]PC-TS Makro-Symmar 4,0/90 mm HM[/size]

[size="2"]~2.700,00 € [/size]

[anyscreenamewilldo]

well, nice for sony i'd say - ta

[Klaus]

[quote name='anyscreenamewilldo' timestamp='1284710167' post='2873']

well, nice for sony i'd say - ta

[/quote]



I'm slightly wondering about the degree of compatibility here. It's a non-issue on Pentax/Nikon but at this price level I would expect an electronic coupling for EOS/Alpha.

[wim]

[quote name='Klaus' timestamp='1284713218' post='2874']

I'm slightly wondering about the degree of compatibility here. It's a non-issue on Pentax/Nikon but at this price level I would expect an electronic coupling for EOS/Alpha.

[/quote]

Somehow I doubt it, considering the packaging (the barrel I mean by that). The Aperture ring is right at the front, just behind the lens hood bayonet. And in the detailed description it mentions manual aperture.



Also, unless these lenses have incredibly large image circles, well beyond the 12 mm shift allowed, I really doubt they will or could be better than, e.g., the Canon TS-E 17 and/or TS-E 24, based on the very simple optical design these new lenses have (9 elements for the 50, 6 elements in 4 groups for the 90). Of course the FLs aren't too extreme, so it may just work. I'd really like to know how good they are when compared to TS-E 45 and TS-E 90 in this case <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.



Of course, I could be completely wrong with my assessment. I guess we have to wait and see. <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



Kind regards, WIm

[Guest]

SK make really excellent lenses, though mainly for larger formats than 135.

But considering that they can produce a 24mm with an image circle of 60mm, I am sure that the shifting won't be a big problem.



However, modern 135mm camera's have an extremely high amount of pixels/surface. So we'll just have to wait I guess.

But if I would have to guess I would guess that these will be really good.

[netrex]

Pricey..

[Yakim]

[quote name='Alexander ' timestamp='1284765682' post='2887']

Pricey..

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Very pricey.... but I'd be very interested to know more about that 90/4 macro.

[genotypewriter]

[quote name='wim' timestamp='1284723491' post='2878']

I really doubt they will or could be better than, e.g., the Canon TS-E 17 and/or TS-E 24, based on the very simple optical design these new lenses have (9 elements for the 50, 6 elements in 4 groups for the 90).

[/quote]

Wim, their 90 is a very simple design but the Canon TS-E 90 is even simpler with only 5 elements? The new Hartblei 80 2.8 has 7 but it doesn't seem to be sharper than the Canon with fewer elements.



Also I didn't think their 50 is a particularly simple design. I was worried about it being quite complex, although it's just a 2.8 <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />







[quote name='qadn' timestamp='1284762133' post='2886']

However, modern 135mm camera's have an extremely high amount of pixels/surface. So we'll just have to wait I guess.

[/quote]

If they're anything like their other APO-Digitar lenses, I wouldn't worry about resolution. The Phase One P65+ has the same pixel density as a 24MP FF and I've seen the APO-Digitars resolving mind-blowing detail on those <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



GTW

[wim]

[quote name='genotypewriter' timestamp='1285719883' post='3337']

Wim, their 90 is a very simple design but the Canon TS-E 90 is even simpler with only 5 elements?[/quote]

6 actually, as I mentioned <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. It is a double gaussian design. [url="http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/ef/data/ts-e/ts_e90_28.html?p=2"]http://www.canon.com...e90_28.html?p=2[/url]

The new Hartblei 80 2.8 has 7 but it doesn't seem to be sharper than the Canon with fewer elements.



Also I didn't think their 50 is a particularly simple design. I was worried about it being quite complex, although it's just a 2.8 <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

Actually, anything shorter than about 60 mm as a tilt-shift for FF is going to be most likely a WA or even a retrofocus WA design, introducing by definition a lot of extra complexity <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.

If they're anything like their other APO-Digitar lenses, I wouldn't worry about resolution. The Phase One P65+ has the same pixel density as a 24MP FF and I've seen the APO-Digitars resolving mind-blowing detail on those <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



GTW

Kinda like the TS-E 24L II and TS-E 17? <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



Kind regards, Wim

[Brightcolours]

[quote name='wim' timestamp='1285764572' post='3355']

6 actually, as I mentioned <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. It is a double gaussian design. [url="http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/ef/data/ts-e/ts_e90_28.html?p=2"]http://www.canon.com...e90_28.html?p=2[/url]



Actually, anything shorter than about 60 mm as a tilt-shift for FF is going to be most likely a WA or even a retrofocus WA design, introducing by definition a lot of extra complexity <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.



Kinda like the TS-E 24L II and TS-E 17? <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



[/quote]

And kinda like the TS-E 90 <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

And, well... the TS-E 45mm!



After the 24mm one got redesigned, all 4 are among the sharpest lenses, really.