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Quite interesting. Hopefully Pentax will be able to recover ... otherwise they'll be dead beef I'm afraid.
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sony is the most shaky
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Yeah, seems as if the SLT development took most of their resources so they didn't really care for their SLRs. The NEX will boost their market share quite a bit though. If I had to guess - without a mirrorless system both Canon and Nikon will suffer soon.
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Yeah, seems as if the SLT development took most of their resources so they didn't really care for their SLRs. The NEX will boost their market share quite a bit though. If I had to guess - without a mirrorless system both Canon and Nikon will suffer soon.
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I would think that that is a very good assessment. The NEX sells like mad over here, the alphas didn't do too well, and Sony wanted to be the top dslr seller within a few years, which didn't happen with the alpha. So a refocus is a good idea in that case, and if that is a dslr replacement, it is in a way the dslr market too <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' />.
Kind regards, Wim
Gear: Canon EOS R with 3 primes and 2 zooms, 4 EF-R adapters, Canon EOS 5 (analog), 9 Canon EF primes, a lone Canon EF zoom, 2 extenders, 2 converters, tubes; Olympus OM-D 1 Mk II & Pen F with 12 primes, 6 zooms, and 3 Metabones EF-MFT adapters ....
Yes the dSLR was intermediate step in camera evolution. It was obvious that in digital age such complex optic-mechanical construction is not needed anymore.
I don’t want to be in Canon or Nikon shoes now. Making of backward compatible mount seems to be less and less feasible. Supporting the third mount will be more complicated EF/EF-S F/DX. The elecro-mechanical requirements for contrast detection algorithms are completely different.
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Yeah, seems as if the SLT development took most of their resources so they didn't really care for their SLRs. The NEX will boost their market share quite a bit though. If I had to guess - without a mirrorless system both Canon and Nikon will suffer soon.
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You mean entry level segment will suffer? :-) As at the moment it rather seems that Nikon and Canon are battling exclusively in the mid-segment (550D/60D/7D and Nikon equiv.) and it's really difficult to believe that EVILs could make an impact there.
On the other hand, I really do not understand Sony's stance here. To me all their product lines are massively overlapping: oversaturated entry segment (2xx/3xx/4xx/5xx), NEX and new SLT's. While the mid segment (where A700 used to be) leaves a yawning gap. Or maybe I'm missing something here.
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Quite interesting. Hopefully Pentax will be able to recover ... otherwise they'll be dead beef I'm afraid.
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On the other hand, Pentax has never actually been much bigger. And yet it was viable for them to survive. But they do need some better products (like the K5), they need to stop making cameras that only compete with cameras in their own range (to me the K-m, K-x and K-r do not make sense, there should only be one in that segment). What Pentax really could use is a full frame DSLR with K5 characteristics. And then some new primes that do not just focus on compactness, but also in versatility (see Canon's f1.2-1.4-2 range) to cater for a more diverse client circle.
I don´t think Pentax needs that, to be honest. What they need is to adjust prices and gain visibility, in any case.
To be honest, the best lens map of them all is the Olympus lens range, which is quite well stepped. Nikon-Canon lens map is such a mess and there is so much overlapping that they seem to be a cellphone carrier price plan.
And that is so not good.
I think this a lot of assumptions without facts. If there is one positions you want to be in it is that of Canon and Nikon. Completely stable market share AND value line, which means they did not have to cut prices. Sony gained market share by introducing new product, but has cut their prices and still look like they loose market share. Both Canon and Nikon just introduced new and exciting (particularly Nikon with the auto AF for video and their quality level)products that sell like hotcakes. SLR is not going away over night and Canikon both have compacts and bridges that represent the bulk of their sales. Why should they worry? They dominate the market and are not about to lose their position. If anyone has to worry it is Pentax, and Olympus. They are marginal at best and Panasonic eats their lunch in the compact market. Sony will take market share, but maybe they will also create new markets? Apart from the 2 biggies, they are the only one with the resources to do so. They did not buy Minolta for nothing. <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
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Yes the dSLR was intermediate step in camera evolution. It was obvious that in digital age such complex optic-mechanical construction is not needed anymore.
I don’t want to be in Canon or Nikon shoes now. Making of backward compatible mount seems to be less and less feasible. Supporting the third mount will be more complicated EF/EF-S F/DX. The elecro-mechanical requirements for contrast detection algorithms are completely different.
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I don't understand your last statement. As long as the interface to the lens works the same way, I don't see why contrast detection algorithms require different electro-mechanics in a lens. Phase based systems work on predictions, and in difficult situations on a loop-through; a fast contrast AF system will also have to work on predictions and/or ;loop-through, so I do not see how this will affect the electro-mechanics: it is just an interface, at least from an AF POV, to tell the lens where to move to.
If anything, it should be rather simple to create a backward compatible mount, especially for EF and EF-S lenes for Canon, and AFS lenses for Nikon. They would only have to create the appropriate adapter from new mount to old mount, which essentially should just be an extension tube with contacts.
Kind regards, Wim
Gear: Canon EOS R with 3 primes and 2 zooms, 4 EF-R adapters, Canon EOS 5 (analog), 9 Canon EF primes, a lone Canon EF zoom, 2 extenders, 2 converters, tubes; Olympus OM-D 1 Mk II & Pen F with 12 primes, 6 zooms, and 3 Metabones EF-MFT adapters ....
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