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#11
[quote name='PuxaVida' timestamp='1303455474' post='7842']

I believe this proves the following fact:



"Statistics are like coy / charming women... They attract you, show a lot of things, but give you nothing..."[/quote]



Only if misused.
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#12
[quote name='you2' timestamp='1303474694' post='7850']

Profits are more important than unit sales <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />[/quote]



http://www.japantoday.com/category/business/view/nikon-expands-loss-forecast
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#13
[quote name='you2' timestamp='1303474694' post='7850']

Profits are more important than unit sales <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />[/quote]



And they are usualy linearly connected.
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#14
No; sadly (or gladly for some) that is not the case.



[quote name='Yakim' timestamp='1303552944' post='7863']

And they are usualy linearly connected.

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#15
[quote name='you2' timestamp='1303647455' post='7880']

No; sadly (or gladly for some) that is not the case.

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<img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':unsure:' />
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#16
[quote name='Yakim' timestamp='1303552944' post='7863']

And they are usualy linearly connected.

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Yakim you should have put your autofocus on. Here you missed the picture <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Big Grin' />
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#17
[quote name='Vieux loup' timestamp='1303669562' post='7883']

Yakim you should have put your autofocus on. Here you missed the picture <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Big Grin' />

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What he said is correct, especially in high volume product lines. Making a single DSLR would cost a few million to develop. Only big volumes can make the cost per unit go down enough to make them "affordable" and still make a profit. The lower the volume, the lower the profit.



It is nonsensical to think one can make profits without big enough market share. The bigger the share, the bigger the possible profit. That is just how mass production works.



Yes, market share is VERY important for manufacturers. That is why Konica-Minolta had to quit and sell to Sony. And that is why Pentax had to be rescued by Hoya. And that is why Olympus is speculating quitting the camera business if they are not profitable enough in a few years.
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#18
What he said is fundamentally flawed. That's why margins are so important. Volume does help with regards to potential for profits but does not dictate actual profits. There are many examples where companies establish an approach of taking a loss (or low margins) to gain market share but fail to capitalize on those market shares and eventually go bankrupt. In a game of slim margins for market shares small inefficiencies can be the difference between solid profits and massive losses. I've not studied the balance sheets for the companies mentioned (and I'm unsure the large ones break down exact numbers for the camera division(s) (slr/compact) with regards to unit sold; margins and other related costs (such as support, royalty and r&d).



Historically canon has done well (at least the few times I've looked at their balance sheet) but I'm fairly sure a couple of the companies mentioned have rather slim margins (some of that is due to lower volume as you suggested but some of it is due to inefficiencies and pricing).



[quote name='Brightcolours' timestamp='1303688191' post='7884']

What he said is correct, especially in high volume product lines. Making a single DSLR would cost a few million to develop. Only big volumes can make the cost per unit go down enough to make them "affordable" and still make a profit. The lower the volume, the lower the profit.



It is nonsensical to think one can make profits without big enough market share. The bigger the share, the bigger the possible profit. That is just how mass production works.



Yes, market share is VERY important for manufacturers. That is why Konica-Minolta had to quit and sell to Sony. And that is why Pentax had to be rescued by Hoya. And that is why Olympus is speculating quitting the camera business if they are not profitable enough in a few years.

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#19
[quote name='you2' timestamp='1303732776' post='7893']

What he said is fundamentally flawed. That's why margins are so important. Volume does help with regards to potential for profits but does not dictate actual profits. There are many examples where companies establish an approach of taking a loss (or low margins) to gain market share but fail to capitalize on those market shares and eventually go bankrupt. In a game of slim margins for market shares small inefficiencies can be the difference between solid profits and massive losses. I've not studied the balance sheets for the companies mentioned (and I'm unsure the large ones break down exact numbers for the camera division(s) (slr/compact) with regards to unit sold; margins and other related costs (such as support, royalty and r&d).



Historically canon has done well (at least the few times I've looked at their balance sheet) but I'm fairly sure a couple of the companies mentioned have rather slim margins (some of that is due to lower volume as you suggested but some of it is due to inefficiencies and pricing).[/quote]



Certainly, such behavior can be used sometimes but doing it on a regular basis is corporate suicide, i.e. pure stupidity. According to [url="http://www.japantoday.com/category/business/view/canon-net-profit-more-than-triples"]Canon's profit data[/url], they are not doing it. Oh, boy, I am so surprised...... <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />
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#20
This is totally off issue, but you2 is right and there is anyways no linear correlation between market share and profits (losses). In a simple context with one or two products and one plant there can be one after the fixed costs have been covered (break even level), but life is never this simple.
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