08-19-2010, 09:41 PM
[quote name='Vieux loup' timestamp='1282252379' post='1942']
Thank you very much for your very thoughtful and complete answer. I think this will help me. As far as efficiency is concerned, I should probably go with the 7d, since it has everything except for a FF sensor. In terms of gut feel, I should go for the D700, because I really think it is the best combination of IQ, fast operation when needed and manageable price. As far as the lack of video is concerned, when I have become comfortable with the stillphoto shooting again, I can worry about the video, which then will have gotten better, with auto AF, etc. for it, which is doable I think.It is true that I can buy a D90 and almost have the same IQ and it might be a good back up body later, but then..... somehow I don't think I will. Or, I buy a D300S now and buy only FF lenses, which is doable I think. Again <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> down to the same 3 suspects. Now, assuming I find an answer to my body question, do you think I can find the same lens quality for a more manageable price with the 3 "other" supplier, Sigma, Tokina and Tamron? If yes, which ones? I know Tokina has an excelent 12-24 WA zoom and Sigma has the 24-70 lenses? How good are they? Is there some lens out there to replace the Canon 70-200 F4, IS USM. If not, that lens is almost a reason to buy Canon. Finally, I think your comments about primes is very important, because whatever zooms I buy, I will always have at least 2 primes.Have a good night and I look forward to hopefully getting another answer from you <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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You are mixing APS-C and FF still, so lens advice is hard!!
On APS-C, I would skip the Tokina 12-24mm f4 DX. I have it myself, and I won't bore you with all its problems and downsides.
APS-C ultra wide angle zoom lenses to get:
Sigma 8-16mm DC. Both for Canon and Nikon.
Canon EF-S 10-22mm f3.5-4.5 USM. Canon only.
Sigma 10-20mm f4-5.6 DC (old version, not the f3.5 version). For Canon and Nikon.
Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 DX, even though it may have some of the 12-24mm f4 problems I encountered.
FF ultra wide angle zoom lenses to get:
Canon EF 17-40mm f4 L USM. Canon only. Lacks a tiny bit of contrast that makes me go "wanna have".
Nikon 16-35mm f4 VR. Nikon only. Barrel distortion and size/weight of an f2.8 keeps me from thinking "go for it".
Canon 16-35mm f2.8 L USM II. Canon only.
Nikon 17-35mm f2.8. Nikon only.
Super ultra wide angle on FF:
Nikon 14-24mm f2.8. Don't like the barrel distortion, weight and price. But sharp.
Sigma 12-24mm. When you have a good copy and learn to use it to your advantage, a bargain, really.
Is there a lens to replace the Canon EF 70-200 f4 L USM and f4 L IS USM on full frame? No. Half the weight and price of the f2.8 lenses.
You seem to dismiss the 5D mk II over its AF system. But in reality its AF system performs really rather well, and is not slower either.
Personally I would value the 21mp a lot more, over 12mp. And I could care less about video, but the Canon live view implementation is something that makes me choose Canon anyway. And the ergonomics.
But all that is personal.
Thank you very much for your very thoughtful and complete answer. I think this will help me. As far as efficiency is concerned, I should probably go with the 7d, since it has everything except for a FF sensor. In terms of gut feel, I should go for the D700, because I really think it is the best combination of IQ, fast operation when needed and manageable price. As far as the lack of video is concerned, when I have become comfortable with the stillphoto shooting again, I can worry about the video, which then will have gotten better, with auto AF, etc. for it, which is doable I think.It is true that I can buy a D90 and almost have the same IQ and it might be a good back up body later, but then..... somehow I don't think I will. Or, I buy a D300S now and buy only FF lenses, which is doable I think. Again <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> down to the same 3 suspects. Now, assuming I find an answer to my body question, do you think I can find the same lens quality for a more manageable price with the 3 "other" supplier, Sigma, Tokina and Tamron? If yes, which ones? I know Tokina has an excelent 12-24 WA zoom and Sigma has the 24-70 lenses? How good are they? Is there some lens out there to replace the Canon 70-200 F4, IS USM. If not, that lens is almost a reason to buy Canon. Finally, I think your comments about primes is very important, because whatever zooms I buy, I will always have at least 2 primes.Have a good night and I look forward to hopefully getting another answer from you <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />[/quote]
You are mixing APS-C and FF still, so lens advice is hard!!
On APS-C, I would skip the Tokina 12-24mm f4 DX. I have it myself, and I won't bore you with all its problems and downsides.
APS-C ultra wide angle zoom lenses to get:
Sigma 8-16mm DC. Both for Canon and Nikon.
Canon EF-S 10-22mm f3.5-4.5 USM. Canon only.
Sigma 10-20mm f4-5.6 DC (old version, not the f3.5 version). For Canon and Nikon.
Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 DX, even though it may have some of the 12-24mm f4 problems I encountered.
FF ultra wide angle zoom lenses to get:
Canon EF 17-40mm f4 L USM. Canon only. Lacks a tiny bit of contrast that makes me go "wanna have".
Nikon 16-35mm f4 VR. Nikon only. Barrel distortion and size/weight of an f2.8 keeps me from thinking "go for it".
Canon 16-35mm f2.8 L USM II. Canon only.
Nikon 17-35mm f2.8. Nikon only.
Super ultra wide angle on FF:
Nikon 14-24mm f2.8. Don't like the barrel distortion, weight and price. But sharp.
Sigma 12-24mm. When you have a good copy and learn to use it to your advantage, a bargain, really.
Is there a lens to replace the Canon EF 70-200 f4 L USM and f4 L IS USM on full frame? No. Half the weight and price of the f2.8 lenses.
You seem to dismiss the 5D mk II over its AF system. But in reality its AF system performs really rather well, and is not slower either.
Personally I would value the 21mp a lot more, over 12mp. And I could care less about video, but the Canon live view implementation is something that makes me choose Canon anyway. And the ergonomics.
But all that is personal.