02-08-2013, 09:37 AM
[quote name='PuxaVida' timestamp='1360305470' post='21844']
You see soLong, although you stated that "...well, wouldn't like to be seen pushing one brand over another now :-) …" in your previous post, you could not escape from being a troll <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' />/>/>...
By the way, I fully agree that switching brands (in case of having a decent set of lens at one brand) is something really worth considering in detail. So a good point regarding a discussion about switching to another brand because of DR issues. But we (including me <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' />/>/>) could not help delving into DR issues, because it's one of the most popular topics in forums (after sensor resolution I guess).
So... @Reinier: I don't know how much of a DR difference you get between D800/D600 or 5D3, but in case I had a reasonable lens set in Canon, I would forget my DR related posts above <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />/>/>...
Serkan
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Nonsense, SoLong was not being a troll at all. he only talked about how the D800 + Nikon 70-300mm combo was performing not so well AF wise in the venue he tried it as the 7D + Canon 70-300 L he tried in the same venue. So?
The important point is that ANY camera can give enough DR for the problem reiner encountered witha white bird in a darker background with the light he encountered, provided one digs into the depths of RAW, but that one does not get that for free without PP and some knowledge. It is nonsense that one will need 14 stops of DR, one needs to realize that a normal tonal curve image shows about 8 stops.
So, what is best to help Reiner? That he gets to understand that without PP, and without artificial look (he already dislikes standard JPEG output...) A D600/800 will not be a magic pill, as the talk about bigger DR only is about what lurks in RAW data, not about the camera's tonal curve. That both Canon and Nikon have settings that widen the DR a bit in JPEG, but that you have to be careful with that as they can introduce an artificial look.
Further, it is clear that Reiner does not have money to burn for his hobby, as he states he was waiting for the 5D mk II to come down in price even more.
You see soLong, although you stated that "...well, wouldn't like to be seen pushing one brand over another now :-) …" in your previous post, you could not escape from being a troll <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' />/>/>...By the way, I fully agree that switching brands (in case of having a decent set of lens at one brand) is something really worth considering in detail. So a good point regarding a discussion about switching to another brand because of DR issues. But we (including me <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' />/>/>) could not help delving into DR issues, because it's one of the most popular topics in forums (after sensor resolution I guess).So... @Reinier: I don't know how much of a DR difference you get between D800/D600 or 5D3, but in case I had a reasonable lens set in Canon, I would forget my DR related posts above <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' />/>/>...Serkan
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Nonsense, SoLong was not being a troll at all. he only talked about how the D800 + Nikon 70-300mm combo was performing not so well AF wise in the venue he tried it as the 7D + Canon 70-300 L he tried in the same venue. So?
The important point is that ANY camera can give enough DR for the problem reiner encountered witha white bird in a darker background with the light he encountered, provided one digs into the depths of RAW, but that one does not get that for free without PP and some knowledge. It is nonsense that one will need 14 stops of DR, one needs to realize that a normal tonal curve image shows about 8 stops.
So, what is best to help Reiner? That he gets to understand that without PP, and without artificial look (he already dislikes standard JPEG output...) A D600/800 will not be a magic pill, as the talk about bigger DR only is about what lurks in RAW data, not about the camera's tonal curve. That both Canon and Nikon have settings that widen the DR a bit in JPEG, but that you have to be careful with that as they can introduce an artificial look.
Further, it is clear that Reiner does not have money to burn for his hobby, as he states he was waiting for the 5D mk II to come down in price even more.