12-10-2010, 01:47 PM
[quote name='Brightcolours' timestamp='1291987515' post='4924']
First of all, it is NOT about affecting so much, as it is about cheating.
Cheating? Yes, Cheating.
Just read the reviews, rating cameras that filter noise better, while you can achieve better results without the NR (doing NR yourself as needed).
1. How does long exposure NR affect shooting? By... for instance... getting rid of details? By... for instance... messing up photos of the night skies (stars and such)?
2. Of course NR is visible on prints. Take the desaturating NR from the Nikon D300 for instance. Or simply the removal of details, they do not appear magically back on prints.
3. From what camera?
If you look at the D7000 and K5 results on dpreview next to the 60D results, yes you clearly see an adverse effect from the NR.
It would help to just use one's eyes..
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Well, I do understand the bit about cheating - I'm sure all Canon buffs feel annoyed when the main competitor's camera got better reviews by slightly cheating :-)
However I was more referring to "I know how to work the camera to get the results" bit. For some reason I was under impression that Nikon's "stealth" long exposure NR was detected by data analysis software and otherwise is not so obvious in the actual pictures?
1. Apart from the astronomers who examine the pictures on a pixel level because they *need* that data as accurate as possible, do you really say you would notice the difference in photo of the night sky?
2. Just to reiterate - I am talking about the "stealth" NR, not the standard NR feature.
3. Ok, I've checked "Compared to (RAW)" part and selected ISO 3200 for D7000 and 60D. Maybe it's indeed something wrong with my eyes, but I can't see big difference between two of them. Could you be more specific what I suppose to be seeing there?
First of all, it is NOT about affecting so much, as it is about cheating.
Cheating? Yes, Cheating.
Just read the reviews, rating cameras that filter noise better, while you can achieve better results without the NR (doing NR yourself as needed).
1. How does long exposure NR affect shooting? By... for instance... getting rid of details? By... for instance... messing up photos of the night skies (stars and such)?
2. Of course NR is visible on prints. Take the desaturating NR from the Nikon D300 for instance. Or simply the removal of details, they do not appear magically back on prints.
3. From what camera?
If you look at the D7000 and K5 results on dpreview next to the 60D results, yes you clearly see an adverse effect from the NR.
It would help to just use one's eyes..
[/quote]
Well, I do understand the bit about cheating - I'm sure all Canon buffs feel annoyed when the main competitor's camera got better reviews by slightly cheating :-)
However I was more referring to "I know how to work the camera to get the results" bit. For some reason I was under impression that Nikon's "stealth" long exposure NR was detected by data analysis software and otherwise is not so obvious in the actual pictures?
1. Apart from the astronomers who examine the pictures on a pixel level because they *need* that data as accurate as possible, do you really say you would notice the difference in photo of the night sky?
2. Just to reiterate - I am talking about the "stealth" NR, not the standard NR feature.
3. Ok, I've checked "Compared to (RAW)" part and selected ISO 3200 for D7000 and 60D. Maybe it's indeed something wrong with my eyes, but I can't see big difference between two of them. Could you be more specific what I suppose to be seeing there?