02-14-2011, 02:42 AM
[quote name='genotypewriter' timestamp='1297640632' post='6084']
Even the 40D had the D300 matched in terms of noise. If the D300 had an edge in this area, it's because of its noise reduction in the RAW that people had no control over and didn't know about.[/quote]
I agree the 50D is as good as the D300 at the image level (with 50D downrez to 12 MP). Unfortunately, many reviewers (including the popular DPReview site) are keen on comparisons at the pixel level. That gave the 50D a bad name. Fortunately, that got fixed with the 7D.
I do not think the D300 and D300s contain sneaky destructive in-camera RAW NR. The D90/D5000/D7000? Absolutely yes.
[quote name='genotypewriter' timestamp='1297640632' post='6084']
That's just plain misinformation... the 50D had lots of improvements over the 40D that made it closer to the 1D[/quote]
Yes, but still not quite the same as the D300, right? <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> The 7D is a much better match for comparison.
[quote name='genotypewriter' timestamp='1297640632' post='6084']
Canon came up with the 7D to compete with the platform that is Nikon... not because of anything special the D300 had by itself.[/quote]
Well, many reviews (on-line as well as printed) described the D300 as the best professional camera in the APS-C class. At that time, Canon had nothing that could rival the D300 in terms of features (from the weather-sealed pro built to 100% viewfinder etc etc). Now, whether you want to believe it or not, is a different thing altogether. <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />
[quote name='genotypewriter' timestamp='1297640632' post='6084']
This thing is blown out of proportion on the internet... not everyone had the AF problems and Canon did fix it for the ones who had it. They even indicated the updated versions of the 1D3 on the boxes that went on for sale.[/quote]
I believe you. But the 1D3 most certainly gave Canon a bad rep, and it cost Canon quite a bit of their market shares in the sports arena. <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />
[quote name='genotypewriter' timestamp='1297640632' post='6084']
Seriously... anyone who reads the specs and the dpreview forums and say the 5D2's AF is not good just hasn't even picked up a 5D2 or they just haven't learned how to use the camera.[/quote]
Again, I believe you. But again, too much bad press about the 5D2 AF. Whether it's true or not is another thing altogether. But there's no doubt the 5D2 is a much better seller than the 1Ds3... their prices alone guarantee that. <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />
Even the 40D had the D300 matched in terms of noise. If the D300 had an edge in this area, it's because of its noise reduction in the RAW that people had no control over and didn't know about.[/quote]
I agree the 50D is as good as the D300 at the image level (with 50D downrez to 12 MP). Unfortunately, many reviewers (including the popular DPReview site) are keen on comparisons at the pixel level. That gave the 50D a bad name. Fortunately, that got fixed with the 7D.
I do not think the D300 and D300s contain sneaky destructive in-camera RAW NR. The D90/D5000/D7000? Absolutely yes.
[quote name='genotypewriter' timestamp='1297640632' post='6084']
That's just plain misinformation... the 50D had lots of improvements over the 40D that made it closer to the 1D[/quote]
Yes, but still not quite the same as the D300, right? <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> The 7D is a much better match for comparison.[quote name='genotypewriter' timestamp='1297640632' post='6084']
Canon came up with the 7D to compete with the platform that is Nikon... not because of anything special the D300 had by itself.[/quote]
Well, many reviews (on-line as well as printed) described the D300 as the best professional camera in the APS-C class. At that time, Canon had nothing that could rival the D300 in terms of features (from the weather-sealed pro built to 100% viewfinder etc etc). Now, whether you want to believe it or not, is a different thing altogether. <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' /> [quote name='genotypewriter' timestamp='1297640632' post='6084']
This thing is blown out of proportion on the internet... not everyone had the AF problems and Canon did fix it for the ones who had it. They even indicated the updated versions of the 1D3 on the boxes that went on for sale.[/quote]
I believe you. But the 1D3 most certainly gave Canon a bad rep, and it cost Canon quite a bit of their market shares in the sports arena. <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' />[quote name='genotypewriter' timestamp='1297640632' post='6084']
Seriously... anyone who reads the specs and the dpreview forums and say the 5D2's AF is not good just hasn't even picked up a 5D2 or they just haven't learned how to use the camera.[/quote]
Again, I believe you. But again, too much bad press about the 5D2 AF. Whether it's true or not is another thing altogether. But there's no doubt the 5D2 is a much better seller than the 1Ds3... their prices alone guarantee that. <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' />