[ragsnoldiron]

[quote name='wim' timestamp='1281515475' post='1668']

I've actually used a simple table tripod setup with the TS-E 24, and a flash for lighting (directed at the ceiling, with the subject almost touching the front lens, and it did work well, with good results.



I normally would use the TS-E 90 for this type of stuff too, but that was not the question. Use of this setup also depends entirely on the results you want to achieve, not to mention the combined use of a lens, especially if you are on a tight budget (macro, semi-macro, landscape, architecture, even portraiture). Oh, and in some scenarios a TS-E 90 will actually not do for this type of shot.



Kind regards, Wim

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Wim, you used the TS-E 24 II for this table top setup?

Also, I think I was saying the I use the panorama head, then attempt to set the TS-E 90 on its nodal point using the slide in a relatively macro setup using tubes, then stitch a few together to get a similar angle of view to the 24 but without the depth of field.

Yakim, if you want, name some closeup subject and I will shoot a few images for you with the TS-E 24 and tube and, send them out or post them, and then you can get a better idea if that will do for you.

[Brightcolours]

[quote name='Symple' timestamp='1281541220' post='1677']

Wim, you used the TS-E 24 II for this table top setup?

Also, I think I was saying the I use the panorama head, then attempt to set the TS-E 90 on its nodal point using the slide in a relatively macro setup using tubes, then stitch a few together to get a similar angle of view to the 24 but without the depth of field.

Yakim, if you want, name some closeup subject and I will shoot a few images for you with the TS-E 24 and tube and, send them out or post them, and then you can get a better idea if that will do for you.

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Wim used the old TS-E 24mm f3.5. Not the longer, newer II version.

[wim]

[quote name='Symple' timestamp='1281541220' post='1677']

Wim, you used the TS-E 24 II for this table top setup? [/quote]

No, I used the TS-E 24L Mk I for this, and for some real life shots too, which I can't post here right now, as i am currently in the process of negotiating rights for these images.

Also, I think I was saying the I use the panorama head, then attempt to set the TS-E 90 on its nodal point using the slide in a relatively macro setup using tubes, then stitch a few together to get a similar angle of view to the 24 but without the depth of field.

Yakim, if you want, name some closeup subject and I will shoot a few images for you with the TS-E 24 and tube and, send them out or post them, and then you can get a better idea if that will do for you.

Sounds like a good idea. I wouldn't mind seeing either what you do with it. BTW, a stitched image is not always possible in the field. And the IQ of the 24 at MFD and closer is amazingly good, actually.



Kind regards, Wim

[Yakim]

[quote name='wim' timestamp='1281479099' post='1655']

You have your eyes on one already? Or still waiting for the right moment?



Kind regards, Wim

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Both. <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> I have a friend who goes to USA for a business trip in about two weeks. He'll return within a month and if all goes well (fingers crossed...) he'll have it with him.

[Yakim]

[quote name='Symple' timestamp='1281541220' post='1677']

Yakim, if you want, name some closeup subject and I will shoot a few images for you with the TS-E 24 and tube and, send them out or post them, and then you can get a better idea if that will do for you.[/quote]



Thank you very much for the offer. I'm looking for both at still life subjects but mainly at landscape pictures, with and without 12mm tube. Both with tilt. I have enough non-moving lenses.



BTW, do you have the Mk I or Mk II?

[Yakim]

[quote name='Symple' timestamp='1281511984' post='1663']

It may focus close, but it is awkward as a close-up lens anywhere but in a studio setting. Even using a macro rail I found that with the shortest tubes the distance from the front element to subject is terribly close, and forget longer tubes period. I think brightcolors has the best replies here. I certainly wouldn't recommend it as a closeup lens because of the focal plane to front element distance combined with minimum focus, it is just difficult to use. I prefer just using my ts-e 90 and tubes, and then pan-and-stitch if I want a larger composition for closeup since it is so easy with macro rail on panorama base.[/quote]



90 TS and 24 TS are very different lenses, for different purposes. As I said before, I'll probably get the Nikon 85/2.8 PC at later point (after I sell my 300/4 IS). I prefer it to the 90 TS as it has 1:2 magnification (the 90 TS only has 1:3.4 magnification).

[wim]

[quote name='Yakim' timestamp='1281561927' post='1689']

Both. <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> I have a friend who goes to USA for a business trip in about two weeks. He'll return within a month and if all goes well (fingers crossed...) he'll have it with him.

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Very nice!



I'll keep my fingers crossed for you too!



Kind regards, Wim

[wim]

[quote name='Yakim' timestamp='1281563705' post='1691']

90 TS and 24 TS are very different lenses, for different purposes. As I said before, I'll probably get the Nikon 85/2.8 PC at later point (after I sell my 300/4 IS). I prefer it to the 90 TS as it has 1:2 magnification (the 90 TS only has 1:3.4 magnification).

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I assume you know that only the new version of the Nikkor 85 PC has tilt? The old version only can do shift.



BTW, the TS-E 90 takes extension tubes extremely well (and extenders too), so the 1:3.4 is not all that limiting <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. Unlike with the 24, this is not a retrofocus lens (actually a double Gauss variant), so any number of extension tubes will work <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.



Kind regards, Wim

[Yakim]

[quote name='wim' timestamp='1281565921' post='1695']

Very nice!



I'll keep my fingers crossed for you too!



Kind regards, Wim

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Thank you very much. I appreciate this.

[Yakim]

[quote name='wim' timestamp='1281566120' post='1696']

I assume you know that only the new version of the Nikkor 85 PC has tilt? The old version only can do shift.[/quote]



Not so.



http://www.naturfotograf.com/85ts_review.html



"Long awaited, my 85 mm f/2.8 tilt/shift Nikkor finally arrived yesterday."



"As delivered, the 85 PC has its shift and tilt movements orientated at right angles."



etc.



[quote name='wim' timestamp='1281566120' post='1696']

BTW, the TS-E 90 takes extension tubes extremely well (and extenders too), so the 1:3.4 is not all that limiting <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. Unlike with the 24, this is not a retrofocus lens (actually a double Gauss variant), so any number of extension tubes will work <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.[/quote]



Extension tubes can be mounted on most lenses - 85/2.8 PC included - however I don't like using them. They rob you of too much light. That's why the only extension tube I have is the 12mm one. I had a whole Kenko set but rarely used the longer tubes. That's also why I prefer to work with lenses that inherently have as big magnification ratio as possible.