08-22-2010, 11:03 PM
[quote name='Vieux loup' timestamp='1282510270' post='2029']
I am watching your discussion with a certain amount of awe and then some incomprehension <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':mellow:' /> There are some details and expressions that I don't even understand. However I have seen your advice, looked at your reviews and those from DPR which I find quite good too and my opinion is clear; I can find what I want as well with Canon as with Nikon, I am going to wait for Photokina to make sure that I don't miss out on an obvious choice and in the mantime I have the time to plan a strategy for both brands, both with respect to bodies and lenses. However, when I see what good lenses cost, I wonder whether the right approach is not to pick the lenses you really want and then fit a body to them? <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />
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If it is a specific range of lenses, which only 1 manufacturer provides, I would possibly agree. However, ergonomics should be the #1 deciding factor.
If you don't use a camera because it is too small, too big, has an interface that is too awkward to use or is too cumbersome to lug around, it won't be worth the investment. And with each of the manufacturers having their own sizes, weights, interfaces, etc., it is very important to get that right, because once you have a set of lenses you are not likely going to switch easily, due to the loss you might incur on capital investment.
Sure, the lenses are important, but you can get good stuff from either. Even the not-so-good ones are really merely excellent rather than extremely excellent <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' />. This is something a lot of people don't seem to grasp when looking at tests. Good generally means very, very good, close to excellent or beyond excellent. I reckon much more important is rendering in this regard. Actually, at 6 MP with reasonable lenses we were already at the same level IQ-wise and resolution-wise of what we could achieve as very good amateurs and hobbyists, and at 12 MP what good professionals could achieve (with dslrs in 135 mm format that is, and their replacements in the digital world, or APS-C and FF camera bodies).
As I mentioned, for me it was easy because I found I had a problem with MF and Nikon bodies because of my handicap, but I was tending towards Canon anyway, first and foremost because I preferred the Canon ergonomics, and secondly because they had a few more lenses in their range I was looking for. However, as stated many times in this thread, that is very personal.
In short, please do yourself a favour, and get to grips with the preferred ergonomics first, and then only buy into the system with those ergonomics. In the mean time you can draw up a list of lenses etc. for each system and each body-type you're interested in, of course. That'll help a lot when you make the final decision. And waiting first for all of the Photokina announcements is IMO a very good idea anyway. That's only about a month away anyway <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />.
Kind regards, Wim
I am watching your discussion with a certain amount of awe and then some incomprehension <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':mellow:' /> There are some details and expressions that I don't even understand. However I have seen your advice, looked at your reviews and those from DPR which I find quite good too and my opinion is clear; I can find what I want as well with Canon as with Nikon, I am going to wait for Photokina to make sure that I don't miss out on an obvious choice and in the mantime I have the time to plan a strategy for both brands, both with respect to bodies and lenses. However, when I see what good lenses cost, I wonder whether the right approach is not to pick the lenses you really want and then fit a body to them? <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' />
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If it is a specific range of lenses, which only 1 manufacturer provides, I would possibly agree. However, ergonomics should be the #1 deciding factor.
If you don't use a camera because it is too small, too big, has an interface that is too awkward to use or is too cumbersome to lug around, it won't be worth the investment. And with each of the manufacturers having their own sizes, weights, interfaces, etc., it is very important to get that right, because once you have a set of lenses you are not likely going to switch easily, due to the loss you might incur on capital investment.
Sure, the lenses are important, but you can get good stuff from either. Even the not-so-good ones are really merely excellent rather than extremely excellent <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' />. This is something a lot of people don't seem to grasp when looking at tests. Good generally means very, very good, close to excellent or beyond excellent. I reckon much more important is rendering in this regard. Actually, at 6 MP with reasonable lenses we were already at the same level IQ-wise and resolution-wise of what we could achieve as very good amateurs and hobbyists, and at 12 MP what good professionals could achieve (with dslrs in 135 mm format that is, and their replacements in the digital world, or APS-C and FF camera bodies).As I mentioned, for me it was easy because I found I had a problem with MF and Nikon bodies because of my handicap, but I was tending towards Canon anyway, first and foremost because I preferred the Canon ergonomics, and secondly because they had a few more lenses in their range I was looking for. However, as stated many times in this thread, that is very personal.
In short, please do yourself a favour, and get to grips with the preferred ergonomics first, and then only buy into the system with those ergonomics. In the mean time you can draw up a list of lenses etc. for each system and each body-type you're interested in, of course. That'll help a lot when you make the final decision. And waiting first for all of the Photokina announcements is IMO a very good idea anyway. That's only about a month away anyway <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' />.Kind regards, Wim
Gear: Canon EOS R with 3 primes and 2 zooms, 4 EF-R adapters, Canon EOS 5 (analog), 9 Canon EF primes, a lone Canon EF zoom, 2 extenders, 2 converters, tubes; Olympus OM-D 1 Mk II & Pen F with 12 primes, 6 zooms, and 3 Metabones EF-MFT adapters ....
' /> The D700 is my limit