[Sylvain]

Not a proper photography site but still interesting to read, engadget guys are valid targets for this kind of product :



http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/03/canon-eos-m-review/



A oonfirmation of the complete mess I saw at Kina, IMHO. But I'm sure Canon will get to it.

[Klaus]

[quote name='Sylvain' timestamp='1349816644' post='20549']

Not a proper photography site but still interesting to read, engadget guys are valid targets for this kind of product :



[url="http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/03/canon-eos-m-review/"]http://www.engadget....n-eos-m-review/[/url]



A oonfirmation of the complete mess I saw at Kina, IMHO. But I'm sure Canon will get to it.

[/quote]



Well, it is a me-too camera. More so than Nikon 1.

However, I'm sure it will sell well just for the brand name.

It is a religious market after all.

[Rover]

Well, at least it has an APS-C sensor so the SLR lenses' FLs won't be as off as when using them on Nikon 1. Those who are using Canon gear(s) kinda have no other option if they want a mirrorless with proper compatibility. At least until Conurus makes a EF-to-E adapter with phase AF. <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[popo]

I think this depends in large part what exactly you want to do with a mirrorless camera. If you're looking at an alternative to a DSLR, then that's very different to going for a body that will be adapted to take SLR lenses.



So as a self contained system, the M doesn't look attractive at the moment since it is really too little too late. If you want to stick SLR lenses on it (why?) I think here even the NEX is more attractive since there is an aperture controlling adapter available for EF lenses, and the manual focus assist of NEX at least provides added value. Even if they get AF working on the EF-NEX adapter, it'll be slow...

[Guest]

IMHO avoid; the issue is not that canon can't make a wonderful eos-m camera; but they are scared to make such a camera due to other product line. This is rather stark-contrast to sony who is trying to make decent compact camera (though in their case they have other issues). No clue if this will sell well - i'm not as convinced as Klaus given the steep competition from below and above though as noted it is at time a religious war (or perhaps could be stated as brand loyalty). For me olympus would capture the 'small' camera; not sure whom I would go with for FF - if I were to buy a larger camera. Probably Sony or Pentax (Nikon usa is horrible and woudl be enough to scare me off of any nikon product; canon support is very good in usa - unlike europe but the product seem to be headed in the wrong direction)

[Guest]

[quote name='Sylvain' timestamp='1349816644' post='20549']

Not a proper photography site but still interesting to read, engadget guys are valid targets for this kind of product :



http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/03/canon-eos-m-review/



A oonfirmation of the complete mess I saw at Kina, IMHO. But I'm sure Canon will get to it.

[/quote]



Yes, the current EOS-M is probably more an awkward quick fix solution than anything else. Not that long ago, Canon (with the G1X) proposed to just monitor the market, and not yet going for it, but then Nikon came out, and they were the only ones left out. So, they cobbled something together with a P&S back, and a sensor in the pipeline that sort of might work (the 650D, but doesn't really work that well yet) and a 22mm lens. The EOS-M 18-55 looks simply like a revamped 18-55 IS kit. And the rest are existing EF and EF-S lenses.

I guess the key here is that they committed now to a new mount system that still uses their APS-C.



They will exploit this mount and form factor in the future with better bodies (a second one - probably more pro is rumored to be coming).

But if sensors become more high resolution in the future, they could also do something like Nikon does on their FF cameras that can mount crop lenses, i.e. an automatic crop.

So, in theory one could stick a sensor with the same resolution and characteristics as a m4/3, but in APS-C size, into an EOS-M body, and then mount smaller form factor lenses (i.e. similar in size to shorter focal length m4/3 lenses) with a slightly smaller image circle that gets automatically cropped. This could be extrapolated to even higher density chips.

[Brightcolours]

[quote name='photonius' timestamp='1349880207' post='20564']

Yes, the current EOS-M is probably more an awkward quick fix solution than anything else. Not that long ago, Canon (with the G1X) proposed to just monitor the market, and not yet going for it, but then Nikon came out, and they were the only ones left out. So, they cobbled something together with a P&S back, and a sensor in the pipeline that sort of might work (the 650D, but doesn't really work that well yet) and a 22mm lens. The EOS-M 18-55 looks simply like a revamped 18-55 IS kit. And the rest are existing EF and EF-S lenses.

I guess the key here is that they committed now to a new mount system that still uses their APS-C.



They will exploit this mount and form factor in the future with better bodies (a second one - probably more pro is rumored to be coming).

But if sensors become more high resolution in the future, they could also do something like Nikon does on their FF cameras that can mount crop lenses, i.e. an automatic crop.

So, in theory one could stick a sensor with the same resolution and characteristics as a m4/3, but in APS-C size, into an EOS-M body, and then mount smaller form factor lenses (i.e. similar in size to shorter focal length m4/3 lenses) with a slightly smaller image circle that gets automatically cropped. This could be extrapolated to even higher density chips.

[/quote]

Some incorrect statements... Canon representatives already said Canon was working on an EVIL before the G1 X was announced. You assume that the M got the 650D sensor, but probably it is the other way around.



The M 18-55 IS STM clearly is not a "revamped EF-S 18-55 IS kit lens". The distance from back element to sensor is a LOT smaller. This means that the optics have to be a total redesign.



They do not even have one single element similar, let alone any groups:







The resulting MTFs also are very different.

[Guest]

[quote name='Brightcolours' timestamp='1349883553' post='20566']

Some incorrect statements... Canon representatives already said Canon was working on an EVIL before the G1 X was announced. You assume that the M got the 650D sensor, but probably it is the other way around.



The M 18-55 IS STM clearly is not a "revamped EF-S 18-55 IS kit lens". The distance from back element to sensor is a LOT smaller. This means that the optics have to be a total redesign.



They do not even have one single element similar, let alone any groups:







The resulting MTFs also are very different.

[/quote]







thanks for the correction. Since the new 18-55 looked so slim and long, I jumped to conclusions without checking.

[Reinier]

Just hold a Canon-M last week. I was fairly impressed. A nice small camera with some cool features. For example you can select the object you want to focus just with your finger. And snap, there's the picture.



It would be a great camera next to my 5D, not to replace it, but to complement my gear. The 5D is pretty big and with some ocassions you just don't want to bring your Dslr, for expample when you go shopping or so. But the thing is, I don't want to leave the house without a camera. You never know what you will come across.



But, and there it is......it was over a 1000 euro. Which is pretty steep for me right now.



I would love to have one, but so do I want a 5D II..... Am I too greedy?



Best wishes,



Reinier

[Sylvain]

Reinier,



The touch screen "focus & shutter" operations have been introduced a few years ago and is starting to be quite popular, it is true. You'll be interested to know that a G3 has been doing it for less than 500€.

The price is insance and the AF speed has to receive a severe improvement that I'm afraid Canon will only grant us on a newer body.



You're allowed to like this camera of course, but I wouldn't do you any favor if I didn't point you at the competition. Sony, Olympus & Panasonic have actually tried & successed in developping this segment, they deserve your money ;-)



That being said, I'm sure second or third generation bodies will be a lot more convincing.



Just my 2 cents,



-S.