Nobody made a thread about the D7000 yet?
As a D80 owner, for me it's a very tempting upgrade. There's improvement in all areas and the specs are just wow. It's really astonishing, because if they'd have asked me what I wanted in my next DSLR I would have described exactly the D7000. I have not yet preordered, I'll decide spontaneously.
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Nobody made a thread about the D7000 yet?
As a D80 owner, for me it's a very tempting upgrade. There's improvement in all areas and the specs are just wow. It's really astonishing, because if they'd have asked me what I wanted in my next DSLR I would have described exactly the D7000. I have not yet preordered, I'll decide spontaneously.
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It sure looks to be a nice camera, same as the Pentax K5 and the Canon EOS 60D.
I think we talked about it a bit in the news section.
I think it beats the 60D in several areas; the Auto AF video, the better casing, the number of AF points, just to mention some. I think Nikon all of a sudden has made a leap ahead of Canon with the D7000 and the D3100. I look forward to the upgrade of the D700 with a 16MP sensor and who knows what else. I have said it before and risk it again; Nikon has an engineering approach to their product line, whereas Canon has more of a "marketing approach! You will probably shoot me dow in flames Brightcolours <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' /> but I stand by my point of view. The fact is, I really do not know enough to be able to scientifically defend my point of view, but everything I see and read leads me to believe I am right. Of course, I also need to justify my choice of camera!! Kindly Vieux Loup
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I think it beats the 60D in several areas; the Auto AF video, the better casing, the number of AF points, just to mention some. I think Nikon all of a sudden has made a leap ahead of Canon with the D7000 and the D3100. I look forward to the upgrade of the D700 with a 16MP sensor and who knows what else. I have said it before and risk it again; Nikon has an engineering approach to their product line, whereas Canon has more of a "marketing approach! You will probably shoot me dow in flames Brightcolours <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' /> but I stand by my point of view. The fact is, I really do not know enough to be able to scientifically defend my point of view, but everything I see and read leads me to believe I am right. Of course, I also need to justify my choice of camera!! Kindly Vieux Loup
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AF in video according to me is a not very worthwhile exercise in DSLR video. The Canons do offer AF in video mode, though. But yes... best left unused, due to the shallow DOF. Unless you are not after quality video results... for *don't make me watch it please* homevideos watched on birthdays AF in DSLR video might seem appealing. brr.
The casing is better? In what respect is the casing better? I would not know. Certainly not the half body of a metal alloy? The plastics are probably more sturdy. And both offer a similar level of weather sealing, as far as I can tell. The number of AF points, yes. Nice, especially since I always just use one. Both AF systems offer AF points in a similar spread, the 60D offering cross type AF points over the entire Af area. And faster AF performance. The video implementation is still better with the 60D, as is the live view implementation as far as I know. The 60D has the side swivel screen, the D7000 a 100% view finder.
I have no idea why that Nikon vs. Canon "approach" stuff gets copied all over forums, even by you. Nikon far more has a marketing approach... Do i have to point at the D40,40x,60,3000,3100,3100? All lagged the competition, all were marketed very aggressively.
Canon engineered the SLR as we know it (T90), all others followed. Canon engineered CMOS for DSLRs, all others have followed. Canon engineered in-lens motors, all others are following. Canon engineered IS in SLRs, all others followed. Canon engineered live view in DSLRs (EOS 20a), a good live view implementation, pellicle in SLRs, "pro"-usable video in DSLRs.
I do really not see what you can base the "Canon has a marketing approach" on.
Anyway, about the D7000 and 60D. The cameras are very similar, in size, in price and in speed. Even in capabilities. The Pentax K5 is very comparable too.
Well there you go <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' /> , as I said I don't know enough and I surely don't have the depth of experience you have. So maybe I'm wrong! It is one of the great things about the Forums, they permit one to be wrong and learn as one goes along. Have a great Sunday <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' /> Kindly Vieux Loup
Value for money - Hot. Innovation - Not.
At $1200 and carrying the "Nikon" label, the D7000 is going to totally smoke the Olympus E-5, Pentax K-5 and even the (underrated IMHO) Canon 60D. However, I couldn't find a single new feature in the Nikon that hasn't already appeared elsewhere. Not that aforementioned competitors are any better in this regard, but I would have expected a camera with so much buzz as the D7000 to be more than just a rehash of existing technologies.
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Value for money - Hot. Innovation - Not. [/quote]
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Value for money - Hot. Innovation - Not.
At $1200 and carrying the "Nikon" label, the D7000 is going to totally smoke the Olympus E-5, Pentax K-5 and even the (underrated IMHO) Canon 60D. However, I couldn't find a single new feature in the Nikon that hasn't already appeared elsewhere. Not that aforementioned competitors are any better in this regard, but I would have expected a camera with so much buzz as the D7000 to be more than just a rehash of existing technologies.
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"Just a rehash of existing technology?" I think that's a bold understatement. There's a completely new auto focus unit, giving us "prosumers" for the first time what appears to be a professional system. There's also a new metering sensor featuring twice the number of pixels than that in the D3s. There's ISO 25k, which just has decended upon APS-C. You've got dual SD card slots which is also state of the art. You get a connector for a stereo microphone, full HD video, and 20 minutes cuts in a camera that is just above 1000€, perhaps you know how videographers drool over the 5D Mark II. Basically that's a huge open door to professional movie making. There's 6 fps for still shots, also a professional number. Of course you can say there's nothing new, nothing revolutionary. But for me, having all the state of the art technology in this package is better than having one incredible feature, but lacking others (like previous choices D90, D300, D5000 which could never really persuade me).
I haven't followed the 60D very closely, but I really don't know why people put it down so much. The 9 point AF would be my biggest complaint, but otherwise it looks like a decent package. It certainly has the edge over the D7000 in terms of video as it offers full hd in 30, 25 and 24 fps.
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There's a completely new auto focus unit, giving us "prosumers" for the first time what appears to be a professional system. [/quote]
This is value, not innovation. And just for the record, the prosumer EOS-3 had 45 AF points back in 1998.
Quote:There's also a new metering sensor featuring twice the number of pixels than that in the D3s.
When Nikon started using color information as part of metering - that was innovation. Doubling the number of segments isn't.
Quote:There's ISO 25k, which just has decended upon APS-C. You've got dual SD card slots which is also state of the art. You get a connector for a stereo microphone, full HD video, and 20 minutes cuts in a camera that is just above 1000€, perhaps you know how videographers drool over the 5D Mark II. Basically that's a huge open door to professional movie making. There's 6 fps for still shots, also a professional number. Of course you can say there's nothing new, nothing revolutionary.
All those features indeed exist in other cameras, so they don't represent any innovation, let alone revolution.
Quote:But for me, having all the state of the art technology in this package is better than having one incredible feature, but lacking others (like previous choices D90, D300, D5000 which could never really persuade me).
The value proposition of the D7000 is undisputed. It reminds me of the K10D surprise that Pentax pulled a few years ago (weather sealed camera for $1000 was unheard of).
Quote:I haven't followed the 60D very closely, but I really don't know why people put it down so much. The 9 point AF would be my biggest complaint, but otherwise it looks like a decent package.
I think lack of AF microadjust is the more serious omission, but it's still a nice camera.
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And just for the record, the prosumer EOS-3 had 45 AF points back in 1998.[/quote]
Yep. And no other prosumer camera with similar capable AF followed ... until the 7D.
Many Canon users I know (me included a few years ago) have been (and some still are) waiting for a "3D". Most have switched to a 1D to get that AF (or a 7D lately), others (like me) have turned away. In fact, the lack of a powerful AF module in a prosumer camera was one of the main reasons that drove me away from Canon.
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