[Klaus]

I've been lamenting about Sony (and other) camera ergonomics lately.

In my book, this here is the (almost) perfect layout:
https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/article...olye1.jpeg

* an off-center viewfinder - my left hand is not on the camera but supporting the lens so why are manufacturers insisting on putting buttons/dials on the left side of the viewfinder
* a BIG grip with lots of space between the grip and the lens
* a rear dial for the thumb


Of course, nowadays the display would be bigger and there'd be an additional joystick somewhere.

Canon almost made it there with the EOS R but, of course, they fucked it up by placing the on/off dial on the left side ... why oh why ...

Just my 2c

[obican]

Left hand on/off switch on the EOS R shows how much Canon knows about battery management with mirrorless cameras.

[photonius]

Yes, it's a puzzle why - with especially mirror-less - the viewfinder is not more off-center.

[obican]

Yes, it's a puzzle why - with especially mirror-less - the viewfinder is not more off-center.

Apparently people get confused when their eye doesn't align with the optical center of the lens, especially when panning...

[Klaus]

What has an off-centre viewfinder to do with not being horizontally aligned with the lens? The E-1 viewfinder was, for instance.
I've also never read any negative comments about cameras where the viewfinder is not aligned (Sony A6xxx, Pana GX, Oly PEN).
And no camera in recent history had its viewfinder vertically aligned with the lens.

[obican]

What has an off-centre viewfinder to do with not being horizontally aligned with the lens? The E-1 viewfinder was, for instance.
I've also never read any negative comments about cameras where the viewfinder is not aligned (Sony A6xxx, Pana GX, Oly PEN).
And no camera in recent history had its viewfinder vertically aligned with the lens.

No idea, ask these guys.

[borisbg]

I've been lamenting about Sony (and other) camera ergonomics lately.

In my book, this here is the (almost) perfect layout:
https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/article...olye1.jpeg

* an off-center viewfinder - my left hand is not on the camera but supporting the lens so why are manufacturers insisting on putting buttons/dials on the left side of the viewfinder
* a BIG grip with lots of space between the grip and the lens
* a rear dial for the thumb


Of course, nowadays the display would be bigger and there'd be an additional joystick somewhere.

Canon almost made it there with the EOS R but, of course, they fucked it up by placing the on/off dial on the left side ... why oh why ...

Just my 2c

I thought Leica SL has resolved these issues for you...

[wim]

No problem with the on/off switch on the left. I think switching the camera off should be a deliberate act, lest you forget. Positioning it on the left does exactly that.

Otherwise the EOS R is ergonomically almost perfect for me, except for the touch bar, which is a little too sensitive to me, even though I do like it, and the AF-On button, which is just a little too far to the right, even though one gets used to that.
The R5 should basically improve on these points, with a joystick instead of a touchbar and the AF-On button in the original position. And the On/Off switch has a little protrusion, which makes it easy to find.

I find the Olympus E-M1 Mk II to be near perfect too, BTW.

Kind regards, Wim