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Just curious but does the Samyang 85mm f1.4 EOS mount require manual stop down or is the aperture electronic ?

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@ brightcolors:



Do you really believe what you are writing here?



I mean... really?... <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':mellow:' />

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"nor of the 50mm f1.4" - basically that just confirms my point about the personal preferences. I, for example, think that nikon's 50 1.4G has much better bokeh than canon's 50 1.4, especially the way it handles highlights in the background. I can find lots of samples where pictures look ruined by octagonal highlights, if you want.

[Brightcolours]

[quote name='Claus' timestamp='1299246395' post='6509']

@ brightcolors:



Do you really believe what you are writing here?



I mean... really?... <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':mellow:' />

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You don't believe your eyes? Really? <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mellow.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':mellow:' />



I can not help that you seem to believe the Nikon lenses I mentioned have good bokeh. Nor can I help if you think the not-cherry-picked images I post are actually showing nice bokeh.

[Brightcolours]

Lomskij, that you do not like octagonal highlights is fine. The shape of the highlights is something quite separate from the quality of bokeh though, they are two totally different aspects in out of focus areas.



So, if one dislikes octagonal highlights when stopped down, it is fine to prefer a lens which has rounder highlights when stopped down. The same as preferring a lens with nicer bokeh to a lens with lesser bokeh.



Same with the Canon EF 35mm f2, compared with the Nikon AF-S 35mm f1.8 DX. The Canon has 5-sided highlights when stopped down, and the Nikon has rounded highlights. I actually find the 5 sided highlights charming, but that is taste related and sometimes they can be distracting for sure. The bokeh of the Canon is a lot smoother though, the Nikon having a rather nasty bokeh quality.



So, yes, it is what one prefers. You would be more happy with the Nikon (round highlights), I am more happy with the Canon (better rendering of OOF areas).

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[quote name='mst' timestamp='1299187147' post='6488']

Oh, btw: that image was shot with a 85L, wide open.[/quote]



OMG, this Brightcolours guy is just too dim <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

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[quote name='Sammy' timestamp='1299256707' post='6513']

OMG, this Brightcolours guy is just too dim <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

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Maybe a bit unjustified..?

Brightcolours, you seem to be arguing from conviction, objectivity maybe a bit compromised by passion?



I started with Photozone because it offers me, a complete novice, an objective source for assessment of lens quality. The reviews seem exceptionally clear and unbiased to me.

I've learned whose opinions I trust as I've read more, and taken heed of what's being said. This thread is helpful in that respect!

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[quote name='Martin_MM' timestamp='1299231090' post='6502']

LOL, <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> - THAT was a really nice one! <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



You´ve made a complete idiot out of yourself, Brightcolors, LOL <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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<img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



But he also illustrated the point perfectly: lenses act differently under different circumstances (tree branches against the sky is a real test for any lens) and bokeh is not a constant factor.

If you primarily shoot wide open with your model (or flower, in Brightcolours' case) in the foreground, you certainly might want a very soft background bokeh - but many photographers shoot only at f/11, or they do landscapes etc. and then this bokeh issue loses relevance. Furthermore, it should not be the sole criterion for selecting a lens



Sometimes I'll even use a certain lens in a certain way to create what the wise men call 'nervous bokeh' in order to enhance an urban photo or to accentuate vertical/horizontal lines (of a building, power cables etc.).

For sure it's not scientific to say that a certain type of Bokeh is 'good' and others are 'bad' - it depends much more on what the photo requires and how well equipped the photographer is to create the look he wants.

That's why, for example,in a fashion shoot you might be wanting to actually induce some 'bad' lens flare in order to recreate that typical 1970s look (hippie chick in a field at sunset etc.).



All I can say is, thank heavens all lenses are not made by Canon (and I'm a Canon user!) - each brand has its own character and Nikon, Zeiss, Leica etc naturally produce certain lenses that are far more desirable than Canon's offerings.

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[quote name='Brightcolours' timestamp='1299243573' post='6507']

In general, is not a blanket statement. Blanket statement: Canon lenses have better bokeh than the equivalent Nikon lenses. In general makes clear that:

a. It is a generalization

b. There are or may be exceptions.



Anyway, here still some of the in no way smooth or creamy bokeh of the Nikon AF 85mm f1.4 D. Called by some the Nikon "cream-machine".

And Nikon Af-S 85mm f1.4 G, "cream-machine 2.0".



I have found no image (with anything in the background) of either lens that makes one think "what a creamy, peaceful and effortless bokeh feel".



Not impressed by the bokeh of the 105mm VR macro either, nor of the 50mm f1.4 or the 35mm f1.8 DX.

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So what? You've just described the 85/1.2 L with the same attributes. So, you like neither of them. How does that make Canon better?

[Brightcolours]

[quote name='BG_Home' timestamp='1299320818' post='6521']

So what? You've just described the 85/1.2 L with the same attributes. So, you like neither of them. How does that make Canon better?

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I described ONE photo that way, yes. And yet, when you look at many photos, I dislike the bokeh of the Nikon quite a bit more. And like the bokeh of the Samyang even more.