Hi,
I used to have a Nikon D300 which i recently sold and would like to move to Canon.
I'm having a real trouble deciding on whether to buy a new camera or wait.
My first concern is of buying a 60D or a 7D. Most reviews i've read say that the main significant differences is that the 7D is better at higher ISO noise reduction, and that it has more focal points. That coming from a D300 is something that i came to appreciate.
However, most reviews also say that the 60D is almost as good as the 7D if you dont need the focal points and if you are not going to use high iso sensitivity.
I mainly use it as a hobby to take pictures of any event (birthdays, holidays, day outs, etc). So I'm kinda confused on which one is worth buying for my needs. Specially since most people have told me buy a cheaper camera and focus on the lenses.
But then the 2nd thing that I just noticed by checking http://www.canonpricewatch.com/price-changes/p=02849 is that the 7D price after the earth quake has gone up by about 300 USD ( live in the UK so reckon is about 200£). So my main concern is that the current price of the 60D was of a 7D, and if i wait a couple of months. maybe i will get a brand new 7D for the same price of a 60D. and since i've no rush for the camera I could easily wait .
Do you guys think i should wait a few months until price normalise? (any thoughts how long that could take?)
Which one would you recommend for an amateur photographer ?
Thank you!
[quote name='thurft' timestamp='1303217607' post='7763']Which one would you recommend for an amateur photographer ?[/quote]
I would have thought that a D300 is pretty adequate "for an amateur photographer". What are you looking for? Better video functionality? Or just more pixels?
I dont really care about shooting video. For me the most important thing is to be able to take decent pictures under most casual circumstances without having to be an expert on photography ( I dont mean having no idea how things work, but being able to point at shoot decently) and that the image is not blury or lacking detail.
My main problem with the D300 is that most of my imgs were blury or with not alot of detail while other friends with canon and same price equipment had better quality pictures under same situations.
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My first concern is of buying a 60D or a 7D. Most reviews i've read say that the main significant differences is that the 7D is better at higher ISO noise reduction, and that it has more focal points. That coming from a D300 is something that i came to appreciate.
However, most reviews also say that the 60D is almost as good as the 7D if you dont need the focal points and if you are not going to use high iso sensitivity.
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NOt sure which reviews you have been reading, but the 7D and 60D are pretty much indistinguishable noise wise, also at higher ISO. So that should not be seen as a plus for the 7D!
If you find the extra AF points important, go for the 7D. If you find the side hinged swivel screen important, look at the 60D. Both cameras are very capable, with some really nifty tricks and usability details. You can't go wrong much with either.
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My main problem with the D300 is that most of my imgs were blury or with not alot of detail while other friends with canon and same price equipment had better quality pictures under same situations.
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A properly working D300, with proper technique and decent lens this will not produce blury images. This equipment is used by many professionals, who rely on them to earn a living. So unless there was a problem with the body (focusing to long or to short), this reads to me, that you need to work on your technique or you will be in for the same disappointment with either of Canons. This kind of equipment is not meant to be "point-and-shoot".
My suggestion is to go for the cheaper, as others point out for many tasks, the differences between them are minuscule. If you still have money to spare, buying a better lens might be a better idea than buying a more expensive body.
enjoy
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My main problem with the D300 is that most of my imgs were blury or with not alot of detail while other friends with canon and same price equipment had better quality pictures under same situations.
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I highly doubt that the reason for the difference is in the camera used. The D300 is a highly capable camera, so instead of switching brands, I would strongly suggest to try to find the reasons for the blur and lack of detail.
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[quote name='Brightcolours' timestamp='1303219914' post='7767']NOt sure which reviews you have been reading, but the 7D and 60D are pretty much indistinguishable noise wise, also at higher ISO. So that should not be seen as a plus for the 7D![/quote]
Same opinion here.
@thurft: Take a look at
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E7D/E7DA7.HTM
and
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E60D/E60DA7.HTM
and try to tell 7D and 60D. I'm not able to do so viewing pics done with NR=off.
Ciao, Walter
PS: Wondering why your photos are blury. Most likely user error.
[quote name='thurft' timestamp='1303219800' post='7766']My main problem with the D300 is that most of my imgs were blury or with not alot of detail while other friends with canon and same price equipment had better quality pictures under same situations.[/quote]
I suppose the "other friends" have also better looking girl friends? And live in nicer houses? Definitely time for a change! <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />
My thought is also the D300 should be more than capable enough for decent shots. So either there was something wrong with the kit, or otherwise operator error.
Regardless, if you do want to change kit, there's http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/ for UK price comparisons. Even with the Japan situation, pricing seems flat for now, and there remains a big gap in price between them. Given news reports, don't expect "business as normal" in Japan for a long time. Certainly not as short as a few months.
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I dont really care about shooting video. For me the most important thing is to be able to take decent pictures under most casual circumstances without having to be an expert on photography ( I dont mean having no idea how things work, but being able to point at shoot decently) and that the image is not blury or lacking detail.
My main problem with the D300 is that most of my imgs were blury or with not alot of detail while other friends with canon and same price equipment had better quality pictures under same situations.
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I've gotten saleable pictures with a Canon 350D. The D300 is a lot more modern. Your camera is not your problem. Try some of your friend's lenses and have them try your setup. Based on that, either get better lenses or enroll in a photo class.
-Lars
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