[Brightcolours]

[quote name='wojtt' timestamp='1303428369' post='7835']

The Voigtlander 20mm is indeed compact, but IQ-wise it doesn't look so good in the tests, when compared to it's peers, and as for the Samyang, reading the forums it seems there is a lot of sample variance. And a huge distortion as well, which can be trated in PP but I understand that this takes it's toll in terms of resolution..?

So for me the choice would be 21mm Zeiss or the Nikkor 14-24 assuming I have the funds and given that, my choice is the latter. Should I be making a more price-driven decision, I'd opt for the 16-35 f4 (or a well tested Sigma 12-24).

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The 14-24mm f2.8 has rather heavy barrel distortion itself too..... And will lose resolution when correcting. The 16-35mm f4 has unusually high barrel distortion for its type of lens too.

[Steinar1]

Thanks for all you good input. I would like to be wider than 20 mm if a go with a prime bcause the difference to the 24-70 is not big enough (I find) So the Samyang looks attractive, so does the Zeiss 18. All the zooms have some disadvantages, but if I have to choose, It will be the N14-24, unless I can find a store with the Tokina in stock to test right there and then. Has anyone tried the Sigma 12-24 f4.5-5.6? Good price and not so heavy!

[miro]

as far as i know, the new sigma 12-24 is still not available.

the old one is not attractive nowadays.

[wim]

[quote name='Vieux loup' timestamp='1303555467' post='7866']

Thanks for all you good input. I would like to be wider than 20 mm if a go with a prime bcause the difference to the 24-70 is not big enough (I find) So the Samyang looks attractive, so does the Zeiss 18. All the zooms have some disadvantages, but if I have to choose, It will be the N14-24, unless I can find a store with the Tokina in stock to test right there and then. Has anyone tried the Sigma 12-24 f4.5-5.6? Good price and not so heavy!

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Ummm, if you are used to good lenses, certainly stay away from the old version of the Sigma EX12-24 F/4.5-F/5.6 ... Its only redeeming factor IMO is its very, very low distortion.



This lens made me run back to the shop where I got the best of three, and get the Nikkor 14-24 F/2.8 in the first place <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. Not in my budget, at twice the price of the Sigma, but I just couldn't live with the Sigma. I even went as far as using a standard Nikkor-> Eos mount adapter, and fixating the aperture lever with a toothpick <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />, until such time I received a G-EOS adapter.



Havign said that, I am not familiar with the new version. If they pulled off the same trick as with the new 8-16 fro APS-C, you may have a winner here, if a reasonable price is important.



As to the Zeiss 18 you mentioned: I wasn't overly impressed with it mayself, on Canon. It is not in the saem class as the 21, and the Nikkor 14-24 beats it hands down.



If you want to go below 20 mm, you only have very few choices, if you want the utmost in IQ. And the Nikkor 14-24 is right at the top of the heap for Nikon. And that si both fro primes and for zooms...



Kindest regards, Wim

[Yakim]

[url="http://www.dpreview.com/news/1102/11020804sigma12-24.asp"]There's a new 12-24 coming[/url] but knowing Sigma's notorious launching dates, who knows when. <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

[miro]

[quote name='Yakim' timestamp='1303628045' post='7875']

[url="http://www.dpreview.com/news/1102/11020804sigma12-24.asp"]There's a new 12-24 coming[/url] but knowing Sigma's notorious launching dates, who knows when. <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

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When I agree with your statement, I'd like to mention that competition is not better either.

[miro]

[quote name='wim' timestamp='1303595908' post='7871']

Ummm, if you are used to good lenses, certainly stay away from the old version of the Sigma EX12-24 F/4.5-F/5.6 ... Its only redeeming factor IMO is its very, very low distortion.



This lens made me run back to the shop where I got the best of three, and get the Nikkor 14-24 F/2.8 in the first place <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />. Not in my budget, at twice the price of the Sigma, but I just couldn't live with the Sigma. I even went as far as using a standard Nikkor-> Eos mount adapter, and fixating the aperture lever with a toothpick <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />, until such time I received a G-EOS adapter.







Havign said that, I am not familiar with the new version. If they pulled off the same trick as with the new 8-16 fro APS-C, you may have a winner here, if a reasonable price is important.



As to the Zeiss 18 you mentioned: I wasn't overly impressed with it mayself, on Canon. It is not in the saem class as the 21, and the Nikkor 14-24 beats it hands down.



If you want to go below 20 mm, you only have very few choices, if you want the utmost in IQ. And the Nikkor 14-24 is right at the top of the heap for Nikon. And that si both fro primes and for zooms...



Kindest regards, Wim

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Going to NIkkor 14-24 is one way.

Just to give you impression how bad is old S12-24. I'll give the website of one proffesional Italian nature photographer. www.juzaphoto.com

He moves from Canon FF 1DsMK3 + old S12-24 to Canon 7D+ Sigma 8-16 + Canon 300/2,8 for willife



The new one seems promissing.

[Yakim]

[quote name='miro' timestamp='1303630634' post='7876']

When I agree with your statement, I'd like to mention that competition is not better either.

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Canon is usually quite good at it and Nikon, while also notorious in the past, has also improved.

[Steinar1]

Looks like it is going to be hard to beat the N14-24 <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> If I could get a good copy of the Samyang 14, it would be worth it to try it for the price and the Nikon issue has electronic data transmission. Otherwise, the Zeiss 18 is almost the same price and then the zoom becomes a natural choice.

[frank]

[quote name='Vieux loup' timestamp='1303765366' post='7899']

Looks like it is going to be hard to beat the N14-24 <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> If I could get a good copy of the Samyang 14, it would be worth it to try it for the price and the Nikon issue has electronic data transmission. Otherwise, the Zeiss 18 is almost the same price and then the zoom becomes a natural choice.

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Zeiss 18 is about the same price as Zeiss 21 but the 21 is much better in IQ.