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Quote:Nope, but I used to have a D800 which is fairly similar in shape. I find the E-M1, despite its smaller size, more comfortable to use.

 

 

Absolutely, which is why I think Pentax DSLRs have the best ergonomics. A well configured E-M1 is close in operation although still not as good.

I've never been interested by Canon DSLRs in the past for 3 main reasons:
  • Lack of dual wheel operation
  • The dumbest auto ISO implementation in the industry. However, I hear recent models starting with the 5DIII or the 1D-X are better in this regards
  • Lower DR than the competition
 

I owned several Pentax DSLRs and agree they were probably the worst brand in terms of AF.

However, when I switched to a D800, I was surprised to see the inaccuracy problem wasn't fully gone. Far from it in fact.

I can't care less about what Foto Magazin claims. The fact remains: for a DSLR to offer perfect AF accuracy, lenses have to be calibrated to the body. Roger Cicala wrote a great article on this very topic supporting what I've been saying from the beginning.

His conclusion is particularly revealing:
  • LiveView (contrast-detection) AF on a still target is more accurate than phase-detection AF. It should be so. Contrast detection is using the actual sensor to determine focus; phase detection is not. Overall we found about one shot in 10 was out of focus with phase detection.
  • LiveView AF is as accurate as Roger View MF. You may be better than this, or you may not.
  • Phase-detection AF has more shot-to-shot variation than contrast detection. It's not huge, but it's real. This shouldn't surprise anyone. Phase detection was developed for fast AF speed and to detect subject movement. It wasn't developed to be more accurate.
  • Microfocus adjustment pulls good phase-detection AF results up to a par with LiveView, but it doesn't eliminate the small amount of shot-to-shot variation that phase-detection AF has.
Nothing you can tell me about Canon AF will make me believe it's more accurate than what I used to get with MFT and now what I'm getting with Fuji.

I can shoot my 56 f1.2 wide open all day long and enjoy 100% focused photos. It's really liberating. Try doing that with a DSLRs. I've read many blogs/articles written by photographers shooting FF Canon complaining about not being able to use their very fast glass wide-open because of AF inaccuracies.

The issue is real whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

 

 

OVF and EVF both have upsides and downsides. The advantages you mention are real. However, for me, they downsides of an OVF are greater: you don't have any realtime feedback of what you're actually going to capture. I love being able to see in the VF what areas are under/over exposed. I love having a very accurate level or having whatever info I need displayed. Or to be able to display the image I just shot in the EVF instead of trying to squint at the LCD screen in harsh sun light, etc. The list goes on and on.

If I were a sport photographer, maybe I'd prefer to have an OVF, but I'm not and few of us are.

I think for most uses, an EVF is better. It's easier to get it right before actually taking the shot. This is especially true for landscape and portrait work.

 

 

Go tell this to all the Nikonians out there ;-)

Sorry but LV is pure crap (at best) compared to the mirrorless experience.

I don't see how using an OVF has anything to do with being an artist...

In which way does an EVF prevent you from being creative and artistic?

If by artistic you mean shallow DOF, this has absolutely nothing to do with mirrorless vs DSLR.

I love shooting shallow DOF, especially for portrait which is the exact purpose of my Fuji 56mm f1.2 (which I can fully enjoy shooting wide-open with AF).

 

 

Not being able to objectively perceive their limitations is being in denial and shortsighted, in my opinion.
The 6D is more comfortable to hold than a D800.

Lack of dual wheel operation? Huh?

Auto ISO? Why?

Lower DR is a problem why?

The D800 is a camera with certain AF problems. 

Foto Magazin actually did a real test. That you don't care says enough?

I don't care that I can't convince you that my 6D performs well with AF. It is how it is. And with my 55mm f1.2 wide open, I nail focus any time. With MF. Through the OVF. My 200mm f4 close up has a bigger aperture, and I nail focus every time.

 

EVF shows what the settings are. OVF shows the scene through the lens, open for your interpretation.

  


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