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03-06-2012, 06:55 PM
LR4 will not run on any MS OS prior to Vista
That's stated on Adobe's site, and I've tried XP users haven't exactly disappeared yet... 
03-06-2012, 09:24 PM
While I know not everyone moved to a newer OS as soon as it is available, Vista has been out for over 5 years now, and Windows 7 will be 3 years old this summer. So most retail bought PCs in the last 5 years is probably ok for Lr4, OS wise at least. I have seen many an under-specified Vista box though, that have barely the power to run anti-virus.
I know the demographic is very different, but using the Steam hardware This is most likely spam content and eliminating MacOS from the results, then about 18% of windows users use some version of XP. I don't think there's a way to correlate the OS with the hardware used, but I would assume most of those XP boxes are just very old but still struggling on in active use. There is potential for some newer boxes to run XP still for those that can't stand Vista or 7, but XP's days have been numbered for a long time anyway... I think practically anyone I know who is half serious about hardware is running a 64 bit operating system now for the extra ram handling.
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03-06-2012, 10:57 PM
[quote name='AAC7man' timestamp='1331060103' post='16445']
LR4 will not run on any MS OS prior to Vista That's stated on Adobe's site, and I've tried XP users haven't exactly disappeared yet... [/quote] I understand your point and I think it's a bad move but on the other hand, the price has been drastically cut. So much in fact that you could actually *buy* a windows 7 (and a decent one) for that price difference. Windows 7 really is a well-sorted OS, believe me, I've had every single windows since 3.11 . That being said, Windows 7 minimum requirements are higher so it's only a little part of the story. A point that you could again mitigate knowing that lightroom isn't exactly featherweight so it's likely you already have a rather muscular machine. Do you ? Just trying to figure the bright side of the story <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='  ' />
03-06-2012, 11:18 PM
[quote name='Sylvain' timestamp='1331074633' post='16448']
I understand your point and I think it's a bad move but on the other hand, the price has been drastically cut. So much in fact that you could actually *buy* a windows 7 (and a decent one) for that price difference. Windows 7 really is a well-sorted OS, believe me, I've had every single windows since 3.11 . That being said, Windows 7 minimum requirements are higher so it's only a little part of the story. A point that you could again mitigate knowing that lightroom isn't exactly featherweight so it's likely you already have a rather muscular machine. Do you ? Just trying to figure the bright side of the story <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />[/quote] Thanks Well, the machine's weak (like me), small muscles 4 year old Tosh laptop, 2GB of memory, although it would take 2GB more. Add that to the cost of Win 7 and someone to install it, and that's half the price of a basic new machine. It copes reasonably with Capture NX2 though, albeit files are from D200 - not D800 size! Worryingly, there are 2 more laptops with XP in the household, in daily use by my wife. I guess the bottom line is that I need to replace the machine to run LR4, or buy LR3 at twice the price and keep it! My son has seen a This is most likely spam content which says that there are only 18% more Win 7 users than XP users. XP has been seen as a stable platform to stick with, that view helped by the poor reputation of Vista. He runs Win 7 and, as you say, he is very happy with it. In fact he has a fancy new Dell on order with (of course) Win 7. He's my computer consultant. I hate being 'obsolesced'! It makes somebody rich, somewhere
03-07-2012, 07:24 AM
If you use a laptop for demanding tasks, one has to be prepared for it to be end of life after 3 to 5 years. The hardware is compromised for energy efficiency and cooling issues. The performance gains in processing power of processrs and graphic cards in the past two years are quite dramatic. Though now is not the time to upgrade. If your system works I wound recommend to wait for Ivy Bridge.
People say nice things about Windows 8. It is available as a beta. Windows 7 Is also on the way out. On the Lightroom versions I would not buy a LR3. It lacks important features such as softproofing, which made me go Aperture. I
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03-07-2012, 08:12 AM
well it works on a mac ([size="1"]of course) [/size][size="2"]....well, at least the acr version does and so will the lr copy [/size]
[size="2"]- and at least for me they seem to have the levels and clarity more correct now, making it much easier to use, the rez and nr look nice on a good clean sharp picture, maybe not good on repairing a lesser picture....compared to another processor i[/size][size="2"] mostly use (my saviour) -[/size] [size="2"]- so, good for me, sometimes, ta [size="2"]adobe[/size][/size]
03-07-2012, 11:01 AM
[quote name='joachim' timestamp='1331105085' post='16450']
If you use a laptop for demanding tasks, one has to be prepared for it to be end of life after 3 to 5 years. The hardware is compromised for energy efficiency and cooling issues. The performance gains in processing power of processrs and graphic cards in the past two years are quite dramatic. Though now is not the time to upgrade. If your system works I wound recommend to wait for Ivy Bridge. People say nice things about Windows 8. It is available as a beta. Windows 7 Is also on the way out. On the Lightroom versions I would not buy a LR3. It lacks important features such as softproofing, which made me go Aperture. I [/quote] Thanks I guess I'm suffering from the frustration of trying to pursue a life-long interest but now with the income of a pensioner! I know I'll have to replace the laptop in a while, but I've wondered if I buy a desktop - which gives more 'bangs per buck' - then I can use the laptop for several more years, particularly when travelling. Dilemmas. And yes, there's always something better around the corner. Like that D800.
03-07-2012, 12:52 PM
That D800 you seem to have your eyes set on will certainly exige a deep total cost of ownership study IMHO ;-). Not only you'd require a new class of processing power not to die of boredom when opening/processing its files but also your data storage is likely to require a significant enlargement!
A total no go for me, AFAIC. I guess thinking of Win7 & LR4 costs is the least of your problems if you eventually fall for that D800 <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />
03-07-2012, 08:51 PM
[quote name='Sylvain' timestamp='1331124721' post='16457']
That D800 you seem to have your eyes set on will certainly exige a deep total cost of ownership study IMHO ;-). Not only you'd require a new class of processing power not to die of boredom when opening/processing its files but also your data storage is likely to require a significant enlargement! A total no go for me, AFAIC. I guess thinking of Win7 & LR4 costs is the least of your problems if you eventually fall for that D800 <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=' ' />[/quote] Yes Horrible expense! But that's digital isn't it Attractive on the surface with no film/processing costs - but now memory-hungry new cameras, and computers, and software becoming obsolete. It makes me think of a new desktop rather than laptop. Atually, on our fixed income it does genuinely worry me When I was (very) young I shot weddings to earn money (also worked in camera shops in Uni vacations). But now, the standards and expectations for weddings seem so high I don't think my nerves could stand it.
[quote name='AAC7man' timestamp='1331153501' post='16463']
Yes Horrible expense! But that's digital isn't it Attractive on the surface with no film/processing costs - but now memory-hungry new cameras, and computers, and software becoming obsolete. It makes me think of a new desktop rather than laptop. Atually, on our fixed income it does genuinely worry me When I was (very) young I shot weddings to earn money (also worked in camera shops in Uni vacations). But now, the standards and expectations for weddings seem so high I don't think my nerves could stand it. [/quote] I think if you set your eyes on a D800, this is your own fault. This is a professional kit and some work requires that, but many work does not require that. Professional top of the line gear was and is always expensive. Overall I think photography these days is cheaper than it ever was. For my first Minolta XG-1 I had to save for a long time and buying films and processing ate a lot of my money after. How many films can you buy and get processed for the price of a LR4 license? With a reasonably up to date 12 to 16 MP camera you can actually take good photos and they enlarge well to A3 (about 12 x 18 inch for US based readers). If you are not printing A3, I think a D800 is a total waste of resources.
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