[quote name='joachim' timestamp='1329905251' post='16018']
In µFT there are 75-300 (Olympus) and a 100-300 (Panasonic). These are, if you include the crop a match to an 80-400. You can buy both of them now. Until it reaches the shops the 80-400 is vapour ware. For a hypothetical Samsung 16-80 you have a real Olympus 12-50 which is starting to ship now. Sure the Oly is slower by it is water sealed - swings and roundabouts. As I said the 16-80 is not out. Concerning lenses for mirror less, there are many engineering issues to overcome to enable efficient AF. Until the product is out and confirmed to work satisfactory, I just refuse to count them and the flower you want to photograph has gone.
I think the biggest problem with Samsung is that they are new to the business and are still learning how to do cameras. Sony bought the old Minolta team to speed up the process. A camera is just not another computer gadget. To me, that is the biggest point in favour of Olympus, they have a lot of experience in designing cameras. If they only had a solution for the rattle-snake issues of fast Panasonic lenses.
If you have a Samsung system I hope you enjoy it. It wouldn't help me if you didn't.
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Well, I'm currently in the same boat as you as I don't own any mirrorless camera. I'm looking hard into it, but what I'm looking for in this segment doesn't exist yet. Ideally I'd like to see a mirrorless camera with a large sensor (ideally fullframe) and a selection of small pancake lenses.
MFT is the most mature system, however I'm not thrilled by their sensor. I really want DOF control and for me APS-C is the limit. Other than that MFT is great.
To go back to your point, neither the 75-300 (Olympus) nor the 100-300 (Panasonic) are a match for the Samsung 80-400. An exact match would be a 40-300. I find 75 too long to boot.
Regarding the 12-50, for one it is shorter (equiv 100 versus 120mm) and second it's much slower. Combined with the small MFT sensor, it's a major downer for me. I don't care about weather sealing. I've a Pentax K5 that is weather sealed and honestly it doesn't matter at all for my type of shooting.
What I'd ideally like is an advanced small body with integrated EVF (>2MP) and sensor-based IS. It would have to have a similar feature-set as of the Pentax K5. Ideally, I'm looking for the following lenses:
Primes:
* 12mm pancake (it can be slow, doesn't matter as it would be a landscape lens)
* 20mm pancake (f/2.8 minimum)
* 30mm pancake (normal f/2 minimum)
* 55mm pancake if doable (f/2 minimum portrait lens)
* 100mm macro f/2.8
Zooms:
* 16-50 f/2.8
* 16-80 f/3.5-4.5 or 17-70 f/4 or 17-70 f/2.8-4
* 50-135 f/2.8
* 80-400 f/4-5.6
Such a wish doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
In µFT there are 75-300 (Olympus) and a 100-300 (Panasonic). These are, if you include the crop a match to an 80-400. You can buy both of them now. Until it reaches the shops the 80-400 is vapour ware. For a hypothetical Samsung 16-80 you have a real Olympus 12-50 which is starting to ship now. Sure the Oly is slower by it is water sealed - swings and roundabouts. As I said the 16-80 is not out. Concerning lenses for mirror less, there are many engineering issues to overcome to enable efficient AF. Until the product is out and confirmed to work satisfactory, I just refuse to count them and the flower you want to photograph has gone.
I think the biggest problem with Samsung is that they are new to the business and are still learning how to do cameras. Sony bought the old Minolta team to speed up the process. A camera is just not another computer gadget. To me, that is the biggest point in favour of Olympus, they have a lot of experience in designing cameras. If they only had a solution for the rattle-snake issues of fast Panasonic lenses.
If you have a Samsung system I hope you enjoy it. It wouldn't help me if you didn't.
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Well, I'm currently in the same boat as you as I don't own any mirrorless camera. I'm looking hard into it, but what I'm looking for in this segment doesn't exist yet. Ideally I'd like to see a mirrorless camera with a large sensor (ideally fullframe) and a selection of small pancake lenses.
MFT is the most mature system, however I'm not thrilled by their sensor. I really want DOF control and for me APS-C is the limit. Other than that MFT is great.
To go back to your point, neither the 75-300 (Olympus) nor the 100-300 (Panasonic) are a match for the Samsung 80-400. An exact match would be a 40-300. I find 75 too long to boot.
Regarding the 12-50, for one it is shorter (equiv 100 versus 120mm) and second it's much slower. Combined with the small MFT sensor, it's a major downer for me. I don't care about weather sealing. I've a Pentax K5 that is weather sealed and honestly it doesn't matter at all for my type of shooting.
What I'd ideally like is an advanced small body with integrated EVF (>2MP) and sensor-based IS. It would have to have a similar feature-set as of the Pentax K5. Ideally, I'm looking for the following lenses:
Primes:
* 12mm pancake (it can be slow, doesn't matter as it would be a landscape lens)
* 20mm pancake (f/2.8 minimum)
* 30mm pancake (normal f/2 minimum)
* 55mm pancake if doable (f/2 minimum portrait lens)
* 100mm macro f/2.8
Zooms:
* 16-50 f/2.8
* 16-80 f/3.5-4.5 or 17-70 f/4 or 17-70 f/2.8-4
* 50-135 f/2.8
* 80-400 f/4-5.6
Such a wish doesn't seem unreasonable to me.