02-16-2019, 07:28 PM
(02-16-2019, 02:56 PM)JJ_SO Wrote: wim,
first of all: I fully agree to what you said about the RP three posts before. This body as an appealing way to upgrade from any Canon DSLR to Canon FF mirrorless is brilliant strategic move of it's manufacturer. Same body, Sony sensor and "Nikon" on it, I would be jumping to the order button. The body gets access to some rather cool and interesting lenses - opposite of Nikon's outmost conservative, anti-surprise lens collection ("3 50 mm's?" "Yeah, we want to cover all possible apertures. "2 different 24-70s?" "Same here, and also celebrating the dullness of this FL range"). At this price point it's a home rum. And if the sensors were all that crap, nobody would have bought them before.
Now I'd like to tell you something about your other answer, not to offend you, but if I see it that way, others might do so as well. I didn't follow the whole discussion, but your reasoning catched my eye as it was very logical.
You're busy with work, so can't save a link. But can read lengthy (more or less) interviews...
You can remember what Canon changed with the 6D sensor, but not where you read it or who said so. (I'm just the same kind of reader, terrible memory for names or web-addresses with some 100 characters in). Usually this is the first thing to question this memories, but as photographers we all need to consider: I can remember maybe the place and date (that'd be already art of memroizing) of a nice waterfall picture, but not the aperture I used or the ISO I set.
Apparently this "outdated sensor"-argument becomes a reflex of us non-Canon users. Core of it is: You like the outcome of their and Olympus sensors better and others for a tiny couple of real reasons and a huge bag of theoretical reasons which really don't matter all that much. Now I'll fall back into recovery mode fro a planned surgery. Maybe I get well just in time for Nikon and their new firmware attempt. The whole Z system is (today and in my eyes only) slowly moving to the back part of the ML train. It's alright, if I see the body and lenses, but regarding their price tag it's already only half alright. I don't know how much space is left for an ultra conservative camera-maker with a massive lack of fresh "never-seen-before"-ideas. The best I can about the Z: It's one of the most lightweight high-res FF bodies I own. After having said that, the list of features of unrivaled greatness fades out too quickly.
No offense taken.
As to saving links: I spend way too little time on photography the last few years, and when I forget to save a link, I normally do not go back to them, not enough time, not illing to go back - what I find interestign I'll remember. I guess i am not as much interested because of the way stuff gets repeated amd regurgitated over and over again, and neither am I very much interested in getting into arguments about this or that - life is too short, and to each their own. When it comes to visiting website, I do visit OL often enough, when I have a little time, and internet access (probably 3 days a week cxurrently), and the mu43 forum, once every fortnight or so, and once a week scan quickly through the news items on DPR and IR. Only when I see something that could be of interest to me, I'll read it, often just a quick diagonal read. Tbvh, if you want to read the interviews i mentioned in passing, it should be easy enough to find them.
I can indeed remember what Canon changed, basically because I am waiting for the right ML camera for me from Canon, now I have sold my 5D II (about 4 months ago actually). And I was pleasantly surprised by what I read about the RP, tbvh, which is why I remembered some of the stuff. BTW, had a big health scare end of November as well, which is why I tend to approach things differently as well.
Why I like the Canon and Oly combo better has nothing to do with theoretical reasons, as their cameras and lenses, at least the ones I own(ed) are plenty good enough for me, but purely based on what I like to see and experience in an image, their ergonomy, and their choice of lenses. IOW, all personal. So if that means Nikon for you, that's fine with me, nothing wrong with that at all, and I am happy for you. And unrivaled greatness I do not care about , it really is whether you (general you) can get the most out of it personally for your purposes and styles. This does not necessarily mean the techologically most advanced camera anyway, of any brand of camera . I have shot with many cameras over the years, it is just that my preference goes out to the results I personally get from Canon and Oly, that is really all there is to it in the end .
Kind regards, Wim
Gear: Canon EOS R with 3 primes and 1 zoom, 4 EF-R adapters, Canon EOS 5 (analog), 9 Canon EF primes, a lone Canon EF zoom, 2 extenders, 2 converters, extension tubes, an accessory plague, and an Olympus OM-D 1 Mk II and Pen F with 12 primes, 6 zooms, and 3 Metabones EF-MFT adapters ...