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You seem to have more time to waste than me it seems.

Yeah, it did cost me 5 minutes of life. But then I thought, if Klaus is already wasting time over and over again to complain about big size/heavy weight Sigmas (oh, and I forgot "sloppy", stupid me), I also could invest a bit and show, the lens hood doesn't change much of the general appearance.

As for the "native vs sloppy lens" implementation: How long you expect to be waiting for a new native 85 Art? And will it be "only" f/1.4 or will they go the extra half stop like they did in their 35/1.2? Maybe just to compete with Canon's 85/1.2? Imagine such a Sigma, it will make the 105/1.4 look rather small... The Canon f/1.2 already is as heavy as the Sigma f/1.4.

I don't wait for lenses on roadmaps in general. If I need one today and can afford it, I don't wait until another one comes out in 2, 3, 4 years. And prices going tank - now that's such a new information, tell us all about it!   Apparently a new phenomenon.... Jokes aside, Sigma said they will introduce first the "sloppy" Art lenses adapted to E- and L-mount. Now they came out with two dedicated mirrorless lenses. About the 14-24/2.8 I'm not sure if that's not the adapted DSLR version? But then, the MTF curves do look different:

14-24 Art

14-24 DG DN

So, apparently the new one is not of the sloppy type and still bigger than the Sony. I also hope, it will turn out that the work to implement a longer adaptor would be nearly the same as making the whole thing new at the body end. But for longer FLs like an 85 I don't expect more compact designs from Sigma as long as they stick to the current strategy to offer heavy high performance glass.