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Canon flagship camera to offer 5G connectivity
#11
(09-29-2019, 03:25 PM)toni-a Wrote: Microsoft  surface preceded Apple iPad but Steve Jobs knew better how to sell his product.
So Yes this time again Microsoft had the idea before with Lumia 1020, poor execution by Panasonic, Yongnuo are giving a try (expected to fail) with a phone having EF mount and MFT sensor, let's see if someone (probably not Canon they are too traditional) will get things right
LOL

Microsoft Surface: 1st product Octiober 26 2012
Apple iPad: April 3, 2010

And now you want a phone with EF mount and MFT sensor?
#12
Back in 2003 Microsoft released tablet PC

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tablet_PC

As for the phone with MFT sensor and EF mount it is by Yongnuo, to my knowledge it is not available on the market for now

https://www.cinema5d.com/yongnuo-yn450-m...h-android/
#13
(09-29-2019, 06:35 PM)toni-a Wrote: Back in 2003 Microsoft released tablet PC

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Tablet_PC

As for the phone with MFT sensor and EF mount it is by Yongnuo, to my knowledge it is not available on the market for now

https://www.cinema5d.com/yongnuo-yn450-m...h-android/

You were talking about microsoft surface. Not that nonsense tablet crap Microsoft failed with. That was just a weak PC without keyboard and mouse unusable for anything really.
It is not that "Steve Jobs" knew how to sell things (as if Microsoft had trouble selling shitty MS DOS and later shitty Windows products), it is that Apple actually developed very good products in the iPhone and iPad.

And anyway, Newton OS predates those laughable tablet PC products by more than a decade.
#14
Yes, Apple creates awesome products (without forgetting to add a flaw or two).
However, they were rarely the first - let's not forget the Xerox PARC, IBM Simon or Citizen WatchPad.
Essentially Apple is a copycat that takes great existing ideas and refines them to a degree that they are actually usable plus making them posh.
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#15
Xerox PARC was a research center, not a thing.
IBM Simon is best forgotten, so yes, lets forget that dopy PDA phone.
#16
(09-29-2019, 09:49 PM)Klaus Wrote: Essentially Apple is a copycat that takes great existing ideas and refines them to a degree that they are actually usable plus making them posh.

Hahahaha. Look at Windows 3.11 or '95. Who copied from who? Look at the Apple LaserPrinter with PostScript support. From who was the iPhone copied, and of who Apple copied it? And the iPod was copied of who? It's not all marketing bluff. If a product comes to market and doesn't have to ripe at the customer, it was mostly an Apple product - during the Steve Jobs era.

Today they are still copying Steve's ideas, that makes them a copycat since he died - but as long as he was alive, all other's copied Apple products.

Microsoft never dared to come out with something like an iMac before they saw how Apple successed with it - their Surface crap never will make the sales numbers all iMacs got.
#17
The Mac copied Xerox and Windows copied Mac - I think that's rather obvious.

And the ipod - com'on. At best that's a mild evolution of the original Sony Walkman concept. It's not as if this was epic really.
Even when limiting this to MP3 players - I owned a variant of the Archos Jukebox back in the days - and that one was released a year earlier.

See the history here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_media_player
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#18
Which walkman are you talking about? Which had a clickwheel? Archos jukebox? Another crappy, useless MP3 player? With a shitty "display" and some usesless crosstype buttons to navigate?

The walkman concept was a portable device to play media like cassette tapes, CDs or MiniDisks. In your link is no Sony walkman before an iPod. No iPod ever used anything else than onboard drives to store media on, while all walkmen made the user carry a selection of media with him/her.

And why was the whole Archos jukebox concept turnt down in 2004? Only three years after introduction of the iPod? It's so damn easy to call Apple "copycats" but regarding their predecessors it very often turnt out Apple dared to rethink the whole concept and came out with something easy to use. Did you ever try to program a playlist of a CD in a discman? Or in your jukebox?
#19
Xerox did reseach in graphics/bitmapped display and mouse, yes. Did Apple copy them? No. Did did Xerox at that time have windows, or even a menubar, for instance? No. What is rather obvious is that you do not know what Xerox actually developed.
Steve Jobs and Apple did get inspiration from Xerox, but what they developed first for the Lisa and later for the Mac was not a copy. Yes, it is clear that Microsoft copied Apple'a ideas (as did others like Digital Research (Atari ST's GEM).

I did not realize that the Sony Walkman could store MP3 files, I only used them with pre-recorded cassette tapes.

Funny how the iPad gets reduced to "just a better marketed Microsoft Tablet PC". The iPhone as a "IBM Simon", and the iPod as just another MP3 player in a long string of MP3 players.
No, Apple did not invent the cellphone. They did invent a phone with new paradigms that was such a breakthrough that every phone on the market now has copied them. That is clear.
#20
Where did I state that Sony's walkman could play MP3? I suggest reading my comment.
If you want a reference to Sony's first solid-state drive music player - take this once:
https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press...index.html

The ipod was released in 2001 - based on a HDD.

About Xerox vs Apple

The Lisa was released in 1983 (Mac: 1984).

The Xerox Alto was released in 1974.
Ref.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto

If you don't like the Alto - take the Star ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Star ) released in 1981 - featuring ... windows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn4vC80Pv6Q

IBM Star introduced "touch" on a phone for the first time. And Smartphones did exist prior of the iphone - take the Nokia Communicator for instance.
My first smartphone was a HP/Compaq iPAQ (2004 or 2005).

Please get your dates, right.
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