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Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M
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"Upgrade path" is an overused concept that doesn't mean as much today as it did back in 2010. Yes, it made sense back when Sony had the E-mount and they managed to (barely) fit a FF sensor in there, but now, it leads to the Nikon Z50, which is in a really poor position in the market: competing with APS-C/M43 cameras costing half as much, while costing the same as entry-level FF cameras from Sony and Canon.

What changed since 2010:
- APS-C and FF DSLR cameras had to be pretty much the same size to accommodate the mirror and prism assembly, it did not make sense to build two different mounts. Now, with mirrorless, you can have much smaller/lighter/cheaper cameras and lenses if you have a dedicated APS-C/M43 mount.
- There were very few dedicated APS-C lenses from Canon/Nikon/Sony, meaning you pretty much had to invest in FF lenses, especially if you wanted Prime lenses. So when you upgraded, you could keep the original lenses. Today, you are probably using dedicated APS-C lenses, since the difference in price size and weight with FF lenses is pretty important, so even if you upgrade to FF, you probably can't keep those lenses.
- When entry-level FF was $3000 and APS-C was $500, it made sense to invest in a system lens by lens, working up to FF. Today, it's $999 and yet still $500 for APS-C: you can just buy into FF if you want to.

tldr: it makes a lot of sense for Canon to keep EF-M (smaller, lighter, cheaper) and RF separate. Nikon is still thinking in a 2010 paradigm and it will fail them: the Z50 cannot compete with its APS-C/M43 rivals.

(07-15-2020, 09:04 AM)photonius Wrote: Well, I suspect that is the same reasoning Canon is using, i.e APS-C only on EOS-M. But the 600 and 800 mm are clearly aimed at low budget customers. Yet, the lenses were not released for EOS-M. As someone mentioned on the other thread on these lenses, they would be useful on APS-C size for maximum reach.

Just a small point. A F11 lens for an APS-C sensor with 32.5 megapixels is just really asking for trouble: you are well past the diffraction limit and buyers will be asking why the pictures are so bad. That said, I imagine we might get an equivalent DO lens for EF-M at some point. If not, maybe the rumored 100-300 mm f5.6-8 will be manageable and affordable.
  


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Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by photonius - 07-12-2020, 12:50 PM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by Klaus - 07-12-2020, 01:59 PM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by toni-a - 07-12-2020, 04:28 PM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by Klaus - 07-12-2020, 10:20 PM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by Spinifex - 07-12-2020, 10:05 PM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by photonius - 07-15-2020, 09:04 AM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by Brightcolours - 07-13-2020, 06:09 AM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by toni-a - 07-13-2020, 06:59 AM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by Brightcolours - 07-13-2020, 07:36 AM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by Brightcolours - 07-15-2020, 09:16 AM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by Klaus - 07-15-2020, 09:20 AM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by Brightcolours - 07-15-2020, 09:54 AM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by Spinifex - 07-15-2020, 01:08 PM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by photonius - 07-15-2020, 04:03 PM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by Brightcolours - 07-15-2020, 03:05 PM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by Klaus - 07-15-2020, 11:10 PM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by Brightcolours - 07-16-2020, 06:30 AM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by photonius - 07-16-2020, 10:33 AM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by photonius - 07-18-2020, 02:51 PM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by toni-a - 07-24-2020, 07:21 PM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by wim - 07-24-2020, 11:36 PM
RE: Canon RF and APS-C/EF-M - by photonius - 09-02-2020, 09:27 PM

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