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An R7 with APS-C sensor to be released?
#31
(08-01-2021, 07:51 PM)davidmanze Wrote:
(08-01-2021, 03:37 PM)wim Wrote: Yeah, well, a bird's eye tends to be small, and if it is far away, it becomes difficult, for any camera system. However, the camera does pick up the bird itself as well, effectively like no other camera out there.

As to your other reply: of course it depends a lot on the photographer. Having said that, I have been following a bunch of photographers who do birding on POTN over the years, and they are all convinced the R5 helps them a lot.

Actually, looking at the images, most of them have well improved their game as a result, even though they were top notch already.

Specifically, check out member 'robamy' in the R5 image thread over on POTN.
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/sho...p=19266844

Kind regards, Wim

Some very good and detailed images for sure !! .........  especially like the oyster-catcher .....  he's clearly a good bird photographer first and foremost ....... hence the good low POVs ....... and he knows where to find them and to get close  .......... maybe a lot of shooting from his 4X4?.... hides etc. ......... of course great lenses ...... 600mm F4  ........ 400mm F? ....... and of course the R5 does great !!

   ....... but that wasn't the point of Macs thread ....... it is about crop vs FF ....
 .... he is looking to fill the frame with the birds as often as possible .... which is a common problem ..... he has the 90D already ........ a great high resolution crop sensor!
        
.... to me this is thread is not about which is the best camera ....... it's about what suits the users needs best ...... affordably ! 
 ..... I think Mac has already realized FF is not going help him     ...... hence the conversation about a crop sensor ML sports camera ...... 

 ....... until then most birders will be shooting crop sensor DSLRs ...... for that reach!
Rob actually crops most of the time. But he also uses long lenses even with the 2x extender to great effect.
With 45 MP, you have quite a bit of leeway to crop, that was my whole point. No need for APS-C anymore.

Do yourself a favor, and look a bit more through that thread. It contains enough bird shoots good enough to fill a century worth of bird-calendars.
Gear: Canon EOS R with 3 primes and 2 zooms, 4 EF-R adapters, Canon EOS 5 (analog), 9 Canon EF primes, a lone Canon EF zoom, 2 extenders, 2 converters, tubes; Olympus OM-D 1 Mk II & Pen F with 12 primes, 6 zooms, and 3 Metabones EF-MFT adapters ....
#32
(Yesterday, 05:50 PM)wim Wrote:
(08-01-2021, 07:51 PM)davidmanze Wrote:
(08-01-2021, 03:37 PM)wim Wrote: Yeah, well, a bird's eye tends to be small, and if it is far away, it becomes difficult, for any camera system. However, the camera does pick up the bird itself as well, effectively like no other camera out there.

As to your other reply: of course it depends a lot on the photographer. Having said that, I have been following a bunch of photographers who do birding on POTN over the years, and they are all convinced the R5 helps them a lot.

Actually, looking at the images, most of them have well improved their game as a result, even though they were top notch already.

Specifically, check out member 'robamy' in the R5 image thread over on POTN.
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/sho...p=19266844

Kind regards, Wim

Some very good and detailed images for sure !! .........  especially like the oyster-catcher .....  he's clearly a good bird photographer first and foremost ....... hence the good low POVs ....... and he knows where to find them and to get close  .......... maybe a lot of shooting from his 4X4?.... hides etc. ......... of course great lenses ...... 600mm F4  ........ 400mm F? ....... and of course the R5 does great !!

   ....... but that wasn't the point of Macs thread ....... it is about crop vs FF ....
 .... he is looking to fill the frame with the birds as often as possible .... which is a common problem ..... he has the 90D already ........ a great high resolution crop sensor!
        
.... to me this is thread is not about which is the best camera ....... it's about what suits the users needs best ...... affordably ! 
 ..... I think Mac has already realized FF is not going help him     ...... hence the conversation about a crop sensor ML sports camera ...... 

 ....... until then most birders will be shooting crop sensor DSLRs ...... for that reach!
Rob actually crops most of the time. But he also uses long lenses even with the 2x extender to great effect.
With 45 MP, you have quite a bit of leeway to crop, that was my whole point. No need for APS-C anymore.

Do yourself a favor, and look a bit more through that thread. It contains enough bird shoots good enough to fill a century worth of bird-calendars.

 
  ......... he must have spent what $28 grand ?? ........ I suppose that's reasonable for a hundred years of calendars ........... 

 ........ let's all go out and spend that ......... though personally I wonder how many calendars I'll be needing!!
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#33
(Yesterday, 11:41 PM)davidmanze Wrote:   ......... he must have spent what $28 grand ?? ........ I suppose that's reasonable for a hundred years of calendars ........... 

 ........ let's all go out and spend that ......... though personally I wonder how many calendars I'll be needing!!
Are you trying to rile me up?

Basically it appears you only looked at the one photograph based on your comment.

Rob is not the only poster there, and the calendar reference basically was for the collection of posts there. The reason I mentioned Rob is not only because he is an excellent birder, but also because his compositions and PP are second to none composing, framing and PP skills.

There are plenty of people in that topic which shoot with the EF 100-500L and the EF 100--400L, with excellent results as well.

Regards, Wim
Gear: Canon EOS R with 3 primes and 2 zooms, 4 EF-R adapters, Canon EOS 5 (analog), 9 Canon EF primes, a lone Canon EF zoom, 2 extenders, 2 converters, tubes; Olympus OM-D 1 Mk II & Pen F with 12 primes, 6 zooms, and 3 Metabones EF-MFT adapters ....
#34
(Today, 10:46 AM)wim Wrote:
(Yesterday, 11:41 PM)davidmanze Wrote:   ......... he must have spent what $28 grand ?? ........ I suppose that's reasonable for a hundred years of calendars ........... 

 ........ let's all go out and spend that ......... though personally I wonder how many calendars I'll be needing!!
Are you trying to rile me up?

Basically it appears you only looked at the one photograph based on your comment.

Rob is not the only poster there, and the calendar reference basically was for the collection of posts there. The reason I mentioned Rob is not only because he is an excellent birder, but also because his compositions and PP are second to none composing, framing and PP skills.

There are plenty of people in that topic which shoot with the EF 100-500L and the EF 100--400L, with excellent results as well.

Regards, Wim

  I've looked at his photos ...... they're very good ...... what else is there to say?  ........ I'm happy for him !

 ....... for the rest, it is clear that we have a tour de force of dyed in the wool Canon users here, or at least two .... who can't see any other point of view ......... they are right and they have "other peoples photos" to prove it ........ 

........ so for whatever the reasons for my thinking, right or wrong, or shooters of other brands that don't think in the same way as others ....... (and there are very many of them including Mac) .............. I ask you politely to accept them for what they are .......... even if they are not your's !........ 

 ...... so carry on and good shooting !!


Bye bye!!
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