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**Klaus** · 03-15-2023, 09:25 PM

https://www.dxo.com/dxo-pureraw/

Once again, it raises the question of whether the trend towards full format is really all that smart.

mike · 03-16-2023, 01:27 AM

Why do you say that? Just curious?

It somehow reminded me of that guy way back when who was a 35mm shooter and went on to say a 3Mp D30 was better than film. Then somehow, he morphed from there to needing MF digital backs.

**Klaus** · 03-16-2023, 09:41 AM

Well, if a tool such as this one makes the high ISO noise mostly irrelevant for MFT and APS-C, what's the value-add of FF then?
Sure, there is a bit of extra DR and some more DOF potential - which an average user will barely notice. An 85mm f/1.4 isn't really mainstream.

That being said - I consider the A7R V my primary camera - because it's here. However, if I wasn't running OpticalLimits, this would be different.

mike · 03-17-2023, 07:54 PM

I'm curious what it would be? You definitely get to handle a whole bunch more cameras than I do.

thxbb12 · 03-17-2023, 08:44 PM

(03-16-2023, 09:41 AM)Klaus Wrote: Well, if a tool such as this one makes the high ISO noise mostly irrelevant for MFT and APS-C, what's the value-add of FF then?
Sure, there is a bit of extra DR and some more DOF potential - which an average user will barely notice. An 85mm f/1.4 isn't really mainstream.

That being said - I consider the A7R V my primary camera - because it's here. However, if I wasn't running OpticalLimits, this would be different.

So, if you were not running OL, which system would you use instead?

**Klaus** · (This post was last modified: 03-18-2023, 01:14 AM by Klaus.)

I suppose I'd have an OM-1.

To be clear about this - MFT isn't "the best system" - not by a long shot. The "best" System is clearly Sony in my book - by a substantial margin.

But this should never be the guiding principle.

The 20mp of the OM-1 are well sufficient for my purposes. It's rugged, and there are lenses that would be perfectly aligned with my needs.

thxbb12 · 03-19-2023, 10:47 AM

If one is not after shallow DOF, MFT is a great system.
Very good zooms and bodies although the bodies have inflated in size over the years.
I still think a successor to Pany's GM-5 would make a lot of sense today along modern pancake prime lenses to go with it.

**Klaus** · 03-19-2023, 12:52 PM

Yeah, it's one of the great mysteries of our times that Panasonic didn't release a renewed version of the GM5.

mike · 03-19-2023, 08:33 PM

I get it! It seems like 90+% of the time I grab my oly over the Sony.